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I hope this is not what you consider a primary source, especially since it

has no citation and hence completely unsubstantiated and therefore

meaningless. It says nothing about comparing the life expectancy of someone

2000 years ago with today. At least Wikipedia is monitored by the profession

at large, and on such a site, it is almost impossible to just make stuff up.

People take these statistics very seriously.

 

 

 

-Jason

 

 

 

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Sunday, April 18, 2010 2:20 PM

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Hi John,

 

Regarding your question of whether people are living longer now and

therefore experiencing more disease.

 

I don't know if you have read the China Study, but on page 76 (and it is not

his only statement of this nature) Campbell writes:

 

" Coronary heart disease, by the way, is relatively uncommon in many

developing societies of the world. This is not because people die at a

younger age, thus avoiding these western diseases. "

 

Again, for all those interested, purchase and read the China Study.

 

Thanks,

Hugo

 

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Thanks Jason.

 

From wikipedia on Acupuncture:

---

Specifically regarding acupuncture, the AMA cited reviews conducted in 1992 and

1993 that stated there was not enough evidence to support acupuncture's

effectiveness in treating disease, and called for further research.

---

 

So I don't know who is making stuff up, but I hope you take this very seriously

and stop practicing acupuncture. I'm serious. They have lots of intelligent

professionals who have calculated a lot of numbers and have *found* insufficient

evidence of any effect via acupuncture. Get with the program.

 

 

Hugo

 

 

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Sun, 18 April, 2010 16:43:33

RE: Re: Tonification with exterior patterns

 

 

I hope this is not what you consider a primary source, especially since it

has no citation and hence completely unsubstantiated and therefore

meaningless. It says nothing about comparing the life expectancy of someone

2000 years ago with today. At least Wikipedia is monitored by the profession

at large, and on such a site, it is almost impossible to just make stuff up.

People take these statistics very seriously.

 

-Jason

 

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Ramiro

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Re: Re: Tonification with exterior patterns

 

Hi John,

 

Regarding your question of whether people are living longer now and

therefore experiencing more disease.

 

I don't know if you have read the China Study, but on page 76 (and it is not

his only statement of this nature) Campbell writes:

 

" Coronary heart disease, by the way, is relatively uncommon in many

developing societies of the world. This is not because people die at a

younger age, thus avoiding these western diseases. "

 

Again, for all those interested, purchase and read the China Study.

 

Thanks,

Hugo

 

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Although this acupuncture page says nothing about your argument, Wikipedia is

correct. They are just stating a fact about the AMA’s statement. Are you

saying that they have the AMA’s statement incorrect?

 

 

 

Furthermore, if anything on that page is incorrect, you have the right to

challenge it. Of note, the page also says that the NIH said, “there is

sufficient evidence to expand its use and encourage further studies of the

phenomenon“… Actually reading through the page it looks pretty accurate to

me. There are controversies and issues around acupuncture and denying them

doesn't help anyone. All the points are documented (with citations) and you can

verify where the information comes from. If you find some errors you can easily

petition the page and change it. I find Wikipedia a much more legitimate source

than The China Study, which actually doesn’t even discuss the issue that we

are talking about.

 

 

 

I am still waiting for your primary source, since everything else that has been

presented is just “incorrectâ€...

 

 

 

-Jason

 

 

 

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Sunday, April 18, 2010 3:00 PM

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Re: Re: Tonification with exterior patterns

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks Jason.

 

From wikipedia on Acupuncture:

---

Specifically regarding acupuncture, the AMA cited reviews conducted in 1992 and

1993 that stated there was not enough evidence to support acupuncture's

effectiveness in treating disease, and called for further research.

---

 

So I don't know who is making stuff up, but I hope you take this very seriously

and stop practicing acupuncture. I'm serious. They have lots of intelligent

professionals who have calculated a lot of numbers and have *found* insufficient

evidence of any effect via acupuncture. Get with the program.

 

Hugo

 

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http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

http://www.middlemedicine.org

 

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RE: Re: Tonification with exterior patterns

 

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has no citation and hence completely unsubstantiated and therefore

meaningless. It says nothing about comparing the life expectancy of someone

2000 years ago with today. At least Wikipedia is monitored by the profession

at large, and on such a site, it is almost impossible to just make stuff up.

People take these statistics very seriously.

 

-Jason

 

Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine

[Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine ] On Behalf Of Hugo

Ramiro

Sunday, April 18, 2010 2:20 PM

 

Re: Re: Tonification with exterior patterns

 

Hi John,

 

Regarding your question of whether people are living longer now and

therefore experiencing more disease.

 

I don't know if you have read the China Study, but on page 76 (and it is not

his only statement of this nature) Campbell writes:

 

" Coronary heart disease, by the way, is relatively uncommon in many

developing societies of the world. This is not because people die at a

younger age, thus avoiding these western diseases. "

 

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Thanks,

Hugo

 

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I am saying that the AMA is full of intelligent, mathematical people, and that

they are, of course, right.

 

I am still waiting for you to get the point.

 

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Hi Hugo,

 

I've presented support for your positions before on this forum because I was a

student and colleague of T. Colin Campbell, chairman of Nutritional Biochemistry

at Cornell University. His study was seen both as a landmark in nutrition as

well as congruent with texts being used by me in my nutrition classes using the

texts of Stanford/UC professors here in northern California.

 

I've argued this also from Stanford professor Cavali-Sforza's perspective and

his colleague Spencer Wells who work at Stanford on his team. I'm not impressed

by Weston Price's commentary nor his " wiki " credentials:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weston_Price

 

I've presented your argument, Hugo, on this forum, that the paradigm of

nutritional history is well articulated by those citing Campbell, Cavali-Sforza,

Wells, the work of their labs and the centers that are gathering data around the

world for the Genome Project.

 

By the time my grandchildren are in graduate school, this will be old news.

They are not far behind you. Carry on, and go slowly on the uphills. Pace

yourself and try not to tire in the spring of the Metal Tiger. The momentum is

in the fall.

 

Respectfully,

 

Em Segmen

 

 

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I'm with Emmanuel and Hugo on this. I think sometimes that food is an emotional

issue, and that the vegan vs. animal food dichotomy is at the root of this

'controversy' between Price and Campbell. Price is a big believer in the

'paleolithic diet', which shares the approach of simple, natural foods with

Campbell, but encourages a relatively large amount of animal protein in the

diet. Whether one is vegan or not, I think Campbell's book is of extreme

importance, and that diet is one of the foundation stones of health. I don't

mind saying that there is a 'great corporate processed food conspiracy', and

that the more that developing societies indulge in it, the worse their health

will be. It doesn't take an advanced degree, millions in research or anything

else to figure that out.

 

 

On Apr 19, 2010, at 5:06 PM, E. Segmen wrote:

 

> Hi Hugo,

>

> I've presented support for your positions before on this forum because I was a

student and colleague of T. Colin Campbell, chairman of Nutritional Biochemistry

at Cornell University. His study was seen both as a landmark in nutrition as

well as congruent with texts being used by me in my nutrition classes using the

texts of Stanford/UC professors here in northern California.

>

> I've argued this also from Stanford professor Cavali-Sforza's perspective and

his colleague Spencer Wells who work at Stanford on his team. I'm not impressed

by Weston Price's commentary nor his " wiki " credentials:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weston_Price

>

> I've presented your argument, Hugo, on this forum, that the paradigm of

nutritional history is well articulated by those citing Campbell, Cavali-Sforza,

Wells, the work of their labs and the centers that are gathering data around the

world for the Genome Project.

>

> By the time my grandchildren are in graduate school, this will be old news.

They are not far behind you. Carry on, and go slowly on the uphills. Pace

yourself and try not to tire in the spring of the Metal Tiger. The momentum is

in the fall.

>

> Respectfully,

>

> Em Segmen

>

>