Guest guest Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 What is pachi pachi e stim? And where are the points for diabetic neuropathy you are using? Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angelapfa www.InnerhealthSalem.com Phone: 503 364 3022 - Petra Buchanan Chinese Medicine Monday, April 12, 2010 11:06 AM RE: Diabetic neuropathy What is the pachi pachi e-stim. I don't think you mentioned that before. --- On Mon, 4/12/10, Donald Snow <don83407 wrote: Donald Snow <don83407 RE: Diabetic neuropathy Chinese Traditional Medicine Monday, April 12, 2010, 7:48 AM No, the point rx you are talking about, Weiguanxiashu, UB 23, and Ki 3 are only for Diabetes (high blood glucose). The other point rx with pachi-pachi e'stim was for neuropathy. Sincerely, Don J. Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. Chinese Medicine anne.crowley Sun, 11 Apr 2010 15:48:33 +0000 Re: Diabetic neuropathy Yes, please review them all in English. That would be quite helpful. Anne Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac. www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com - " Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. " <angelapfa " Traditional " <Chinese Medicine > Friday, April 9, 2010 5:42:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Re: Diabetic neuropathy I am a bit confused. What are the English names of the points you are using? And the rule is only those points and no other ones and that is the treatment for diabetic neuropathy? Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angelapfa www.InnerhealthSalem.com Phone: 503 364 3022 - " Donald Snow " < don83407 > < Chinese Traditional Medicine > Friday, April 09, 2010 1:57 PM RE: Diabetic neuropathy > > I'm so happy for that. I get these same results 97% of the time no matter > what the active sx. > > > > By the way. I am currently looking for a full-time acupuncturist to join > me in my clinic now and possibly for a hospital position in the future > after I train him or her up. It is a guaranteed salaried position with a > percentage bonus system. We work hard here, but we pay well, too. > > > > Thanks, > > > Dr. Donald J. Snow, Jr., DAOM, MPH > > > > Chinese Medicine > petrabuchanan > Fri, 9 Apr 2010 13:50:05 -0700 > RE: Diabetic neuropathy > > > > > > > Hi Donald, I wanted to let you know that I used your treatment on my > patient and her symptoms completely went away for a day after just one > treatment. So thank you. I love it when I can get such amazing results > with just a few needles. > --- On Tue, 3/16/10, Donald Snow < don83407 > wrote: > > Donald Snow < don83407 > > RE: Diabetic neuropathy > Chinese Traditional Medicine > Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 7:36 AM > > I'm so sorry for the confusion. I meant Yishu/Weiguanxiashu. Hope this > works for you. > > I am sincerely, > > Don Snow > > > Chinese Medicine > petrabuchanan > Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:20:21 -0700 > RE: Diabetic neuropathy > > > > Hi Donald, I am a little confused. You said three points and there are > four points you mentioned. Should I use Pi Shu or Wei Guan Xia Shu or > both? > > Thank you, Petra > > Also my patient is starting to feel stronger and has more energy! > > --- On Thu, 3/11/10, Donald Snow < don83407 > wrote: > > Donald Snow < don83407 > > RE: Diabetic neuropathy > Chinese Traditional Medicine > Thursday, March 11, 2010, 9:16 AM > > I used these points as empirical and I did not do any TCM diagnostics. > Blood glucose levels dropped very significantly in 70% of all patients > treated, and they dropped immediately and continued to drop for the > remainder of the day. It must be noted that I did, indeed, experiment > with other points in addition to my protocol. The result was that 100% of > the time, the patient's BCG did not drop at all and even increased. That > means that to get the desired results, the protocol must be rigidly > followed. > > Sorry if that info was disappointing, but that was the research outcome. > > Sincerely, > > Dr. Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. > > Chinese Medicine > daniel.schulman > Wed, 10 Mar 2010 03:48:04 -0800 > Re: Diabetic neuropathy > > > > Its not been my finding that in all cases, treating 'Liver' makes blood > sugar rise.When I do a full 'Kiiko' palpation of the patient, from head to > toe, in some diabetic cases, Liver reflexes are very active and demand > attention - in these cases, I presume Liver metabolism of glucose is part > of the 'problem' (at the physiologic level) and when I treat accordingly, > in these cases, blood sugar responds well.I will also add, that in > addition to UB 20, in almost every diabetic patient I have ever treated as > well as any one with sugar metabolism problems of any kind (hypoglycemic > tendencies, etc), Kiiko's sugar imbalance reflex (Hua Tuo Jia Ji of T11 > and T12) is almost highly highly reactive (spastic on palpation) and when > needled directly, brings about dramatic effect. > Daniel > --- On Wed, 3/10/10, < johnkokko > wrote: > > < johnkokko > > Re: Diabetic neuropathy > Chinese Medicine > Received: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 8:30 AM > > Dr. Snow, > > Thanks for the findings... > > Interesting that the SP and KD back-shu points lower blood sugar levels, > but > > UB 18 (LV) can make blood glucose rise. > > Is this an instance with wood overacting on earth, making the earth > weaker? > > As the Nei jing states... when problems with the earth, avoid the sour > > flavor (LV). > > K > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Donald Snow <don83407 (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote: > >> > >> Use Kiiko's pachi-pachi e'stim with three needles on each foot with three > >> stimulations each. The results should be immediate and profound. This > >> treatment is even more efficacious when used with a Russian SCENAR with >> 60% > >> to 100% relief on the first visit. It takes 9 to 15 treatments on average > >> for permanent resolution of the neuropathy. They must control their blood > >> glucose. > >> > >> > >> > >> To lower blood glucose levels only three points are needed. It is > >> important to add no other points. Before inserting the needles, get their > >> blood glucose level. If it is high, needle the following points: > >> > >> > >> > >> PiShu/weiguanxiashu bilat > >> > >> UB 23 bilat > >> > >> Kid 3 bilat > >> > >> > >> > >> Retain needle for 30 minutes and retest their BCG. It should drop > >> significantly. If you misplace pishu and needle UB 18, their BCG will >> rise. > >> Therefore, it is important to have the correct locations. > >> > >> If you want to know more about this protocol, contact PCOM and ask for >> Dr. > >> Snow's doctoral dissertation on Diabetes. > >> > >> > >> > >> Dr. Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> johnkokko (AT) gmail (DOT) com > >> Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:53:47 -0800 > >> Re: Diabetic neuropathy > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Mike, > >> Yes.... this patient is the kind of guy who doesn't want to admit that he > >> feels any pressure pain anywhere, > >> except that he complains a lot about his feet neuropathy. > >> So, the oketsu and immune were tight, but no pressure pain elicited from > >> the > >> patient. > >> Of all of the hara reflexes, adrenal (under the navel) came up, so it > >> directed me to KD 6, which halved the pins and needles sensation alone. > >> Also, LV 3 and ST 41 has been very helpful for this patient. > >> While pressing LI 4 strongly, most of the pins/needles would go away > >> completely, so that's his homework. > >> > >> The first treatment, I tried the points for peripheral neuropathy in > >> Kiiko's > >> Clinical Vol 2, but didn't see immediate results, > >> so I tried each point one-by-one checking and rechecking the nerve > >> sensation > >> on the bottom of his feet. > >> Of Kiiko's treatment from pgs. 129-137 in Vol 2, I tried Ren 12, 13, SP > >> 3.2, > >> ST Qi line, Lung 4/ 8, but these were not as effective as the points I > >> wrote > >> out earlier. Surprisingly, ST 36 and GB 34 were not as effective as I >> would > >> assume. > >> The ankle fulcrum treatment was immediately effective... KD 6, ST 41 and >> UB > >> 62, but found that UB 62 was not needed, so retained KD 6 and ST 41. I > >> have yet to try the Kiiko back treatment for peripheral neuropathy (kori > >> around UB 42, lumbar eyes, sugar points around UB 20/21), because the >> other > >> treatment was working so well, but it would be worthwhile to do that the > >> next treatment. > >> The second treatment I needled KD 1, which was very lasting through the > >> week > >> and effective, but he requested that I don't needle that point because of > >> the obvious pain that can sometimes occur, so instead, I needle LV 3 > >> thru-thru towards KD 1. > >> > >> Let me know how your treatments go.. it's good to share this info, > >> K > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 Angela, don't take this personally but... pretty please w/sugar on top... delete the past posts from your new ones! You wrote two sentences but made me scroll down past dozens of messages - that I had alread read. This is excruciatingly boring and a huge waste of time. Let's do the metanoia, people. Show some mercy. Best to all, Daniel Luz, JN. 2010/4/15 Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. <angelapfa > > > What is pachi pachi e stim? And where are the points for diabetic > neuropathy you are using? > > Regards, > Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. > > angelapfa <angelapfa%40comcast.net> > > www.InnerhealthSalem.com > > Phone: 503 364 3022 > - > Petra Buchanan > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > Monday, April 12, 2010 11:06 AM > RE: Diabetic neuropathy > > What is the pachi pachi e-stim. I don't think you mentioned that before. > > --- On Mon, 4/12/10, Donald Snow <don83407 <don83407%40msn.com>> > wrote: > > Donald Snow <don83407 <don83407%40msn.com>> > RE: Diabetic neuropathy > To: Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > Monday, April 12, 2010, 7:48 AM > > No, the point rx you are talking about, Weiguanxiashu, UB 23, and Ki 3 are > only for Diabetes (high blood glucose). The other point rx with pachi-pachi > e'stim was for neuropathy. > > Sincerely, > > Don J. Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. > > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > anne.crowley <anne.crowley%40comcast.net> > Sun, 11 Apr 2010 15:48:33 +0000 > Re: Diabetic neuropathy > > Yes, please review them all in English. That would be quite helpful. > > Anne > > Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac. > www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com > > - > " Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. " <angelapfa<angelapfa%40comcast.net>> > > " Traditional " < > Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com>> > > Friday, April 9, 2010 5:42:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Re: Diabetic neuropathy > > I am a bit confused. What are the English names of the points you are > using? > And the rule is only those points and no other ones and that is the > treatment for diabetic neuropathy? > > Regards, > Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. > > angelapfa <angelapfa%40comcast.net> > > www.InnerhealthSalem.com > > Phone: 503 364 3022 > - > " Donald Snow " < don83407 <don83407%40msn.com> > > < Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com>> > Friday, April 09, 2010 1:57 PM > RE: Diabetic neuropathy > > > > > I'm so happy for that. I get these same results 97% of the time no matter > > > what the active sx. > > > > > > > > By the way. I am currently looking for a full-time acupuncturist to join > > me in my clinic now and possibly for a hospital position in the future > > after I train him or her up. It is a guaranteed salaried position with a > > percentage bonus system. We work hard here, but we pay well, too. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Dr. Donald J. Snow, Jr., DAOM, MPH > > > > > > > > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > > petrabuchanan <petrabuchanan%40> > > Fri, 9 Apr 2010 13:50:05 -0700 > > RE: Diabetic neuropathy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Donald, I wanted to let you know that I used your treatment on my > > patient and her symptoms completely went away for a day after just one > > treatment. So thank you. I love it when I can get such amazing results > > with just a few needles. > > --- On Tue, 3/16/10, Donald Snow < don83407 <don83407%40msn.com>> wrote: > > > > Donald Snow < don83407 <don83407%40msn.com> > > > RE: Diabetic neuropathy > > To: Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > > Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 7:36 AM > > > > I'm so sorry for the confusion. I meant Yishu/Weiguanxiashu. Hope this > > works for you. > > > > I am sincerely, > > > > Don Snow > > > > > > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > > petrabuchanan <petrabuchanan%40> > > Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:20:21 -0700 > > RE: Diabetic neuropathy > > > > > > > > Hi Donald, I am a little confused. You said three points and there are > > four points you mentioned. Should I use Pi Shu or Wei Guan Xia Shu or > > both? > > > > Thank you, Petra > > > > Also my patient is starting to feel stronger and has more energy! > > > > --- On Thu, 3/11/10, Donald Snow < don83407 <don83407%40msn.com>> wrote: > > > > Donald Snow < don83407 <don83407%40msn.com> > > > RE: Diabetic neuropathy > > To: Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > > Thursday, March 11, 2010, 9:16 AM > > > > I used these points as empirical and I did not do any TCM diagnostics. > > Blood glucose levels dropped very significantly in 70% of all patients > > treated, and they dropped immediately and continued to drop for the > > remainder of the day. It must be noted that I did, indeed, experiment > > with other points in addition to my protocol. The result was that 100% of > > > the time, the patient's BCG did not drop at all and even increased. That > > means that to get the desired results, the protocol must be rigidly > > followed. > > > > Sorry if that info was disappointing, but that was the research outcome. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Dr. Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. > > > > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > > daniel.schulman <daniel.schulman%40> > > Wed, 10 Mar 2010 03:48:04 -0800 > > Re: Diabetic neuropathy > > > > > > > > Its not been my finding that in all cases, treating 'Liver' makes blood > > sugar rise.When I do a full 'Kiiko' palpation of the patient, from head > to > > toe, in some diabetic cases, Liver reflexes are very active and demand > > attention - in these cases, I presume Liver metabolism of glucose is part > > > of the 'problem' (at the physiologic level) and when I treat accordingly, > > > in these cases, blood sugar responds well.I will also add, that in > > addition to UB 20, in almost every diabetic patient I have ever treated > as > > well as any one with sugar metabolism problems of any kind (hypoglycemic > > tendencies, etc), Kiiko's sugar imbalance reflex (Hua Tuo Jia Ji of T11 > > and T12) is almost highly highly reactive (spastic on palpation) and when > > > needled directly, brings about dramatic effect. > > Daniel > > --- On Wed, 3/10/10, < johnkokko<johnkokko%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > < johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com> > > > Re: Diabetic neuropathy > > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > > Received: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 8:30 AM > > > > Dr. Snow, > > > > Thanks for the findings... > > > > Interesting that the SP and KD back-shu points lower blood sugar levels, > > but > > > > UB 18 (LV) can make blood glucose rise. > > > > Is this an instance with wood overacting on earth, making the earth > > weaker? > > > > As the Nei jing states... when problems with the earth, avoid the sour > > > > flavor (LV). > > > > K > > > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Donald Snow <don83407 (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Use Kiiko's pachi-pachi e'stim with three needles on each foot with > three > > > >> stimulations each. The results should be immediate and profound. This > > > >> treatment is even more efficacious when used with a Russian SCENAR with > >> 60% > > > >> to 100% relief on the first visit. It takes 9 to 15 treatments on > average > > > >> for permanent resolution of the neuropathy. They must control their > blood > > > >> glucose. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> To lower blood glucose levels only three points are needed. It is > > > >> important to add no other points. Before inserting the needles, get > their > > > >> blood glucose level. If it is high, needle the following points: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> PiShu/weiguanxiashu bilat > > > >> > > > >> UB 23 bilat > > > >> > > > >> Kid 3 bilat > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Retain needle for 30 minutes and retest their BCG. It should drop > > > >> significantly. If you misplace pishu and needle UB 18, their BCG will > >> rise. > > > >> Therefore, it is important to have the correct locations. > > > >> > > > >> If you want to know more about this protocol, contact PCOM and ask for > >> Dr. > > > >> Snow's doctoral dissertation on Diabetes. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Dr. Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> johnkokko (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > >> Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:53:47 -0800 > > > >> Re: Diabetic neuropathy > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Mike, > > > >> Yes.... this patient is the kind of guy who doesn't want to admit that > he > > > >> feels any pressure pain anywhere, > > > >> except that he complains a lot about his feet neuropathy. > > > >> So, the oketsu and immune were tight, but no pressure pain elicited from > > > > >> the > > > >> patient. > > > >> Of all of the hara reflexes, adrenal (under the navel) came up, so it > > > >> directed me to KD 6, which halved the pins and needles sensation alone. > > > >> Also, LV 3 and ST 41 has been very helpful for this patient. > > > >> While pressing LI 4 strongly, most of the pins/needles would go away > > > >> completely, so that's his homework. > > > >> > > > >> The first treatment, I tried the points for peripheral neuropathy in > > > >> Kiiko's > > > >> Clinical Vol 2, but didn't see immediate results, > > > >> so I tried each point one-by-one checking and rechecking the nerve > > > >> sensation > > > >> on the bottom of his feet. > > > >> Of Kiiko's treatment from pgs. 129-137 in Vol 2, I tried Ren 12, 13, SP > > > >> 3.2, > > > >> ST Qi line, Lung 4/ 8, but these were not as effective as the points I > > > >> wrote > > > >> out earlier. Surprisingly, ST 36 and GB 34 were not as effective as I > >> would > > > >> assume. > > > >> The ankle fulcrum treatment was immediately effective... KD 6, ST 41 and > > >> UB > > > >> 62, but found that UB 62 was not needed, so retained KD 6 and ST 41. I > > > >> have yet to try the Kiiko back treatment for peripheral neuropathy (kori > > > > >> around UB 42, lumbar eyes, sugar points around UB 20/21), because the > >> other > > > >> treatment was working so well, but it would be worthwhile to do that the > > > > >> next treatment. > > > >> The second treatment I needled KD 1, which was very lasting through the > > > >> week > > > >> and effective, but he requested that I don't needle that point because > of > > > >> the obvious pain that can sometimes occur, so instead, I needle LV 3 > > > >> thru-thru towards KD 1. > > > >> > > > >> Let me know how your treatments go.. it's good to share this info, > > > >> K > > > >> > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2010 Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 pachi pachi is a device dr richard tan sells to stim acu points. it looks like a lagre pen light. pressing the distal end causes a kind of an electric 'spark' which stims the point. tan recs it for peds. kath On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. < angelapfa wrote: > > > What is pachi pachi e stim? And where are the points for diabetic > neuropathy you are using? > > Regards, > Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. > > angelapfa <angelapfa%40comcast.net> > > www.InnerhealthSalem.com > > Phone: 503 364 3022 > - > Petra Buchanan > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > Monday, April 12, 2010 11:06 AM > RE: Diabetic neuropathy > > What is the pachi pachi e-stim. I don't think you mentioned that before. > > --- On Mon, 4/12/10, Donald Snow <don83407 <don83407%40msn.com>> > wrote: > > Donald Snow <don83407 <don83407%40msn.com>> > RE: Diabetic neuropathy > To: Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > Monday, April 12, 2010, 7:48 AM > > No, the point rx you are talking about, Weiguanxiashu, UB 23, and Ki 3 are > only for Diabetes (high blood glucose). The other point rx with pachi-pachi > e'stim was for neuropathy. > > Sincerely, > > Don J. Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. > > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > anne.crowley <anne.crowley%40comcast.net> > Sun, 11 Apr 2010 15:48:33 +0000 > Re: Diabetic neuropathy > > Yes, please review them all in English. That would be quite helpful. > > Anne > > Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac. > www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com > > - > " Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. " <angelapfa<angelapfa%40comcast.net>> > > " Traditional " < > Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com>> > > Friday, April 9, 2010 5:42:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Re: Diabetic neuropathy > > I am a bit confused. What are the English names of the points you are > using? > And the rule is only those points and no other ones and that is the > treatment for diabetic neuropathy? > > Regards, > Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. > > angelapfa <angelapfa%40comcast.net> > > www.InnerhealthSalem.com > > Phone: 503 364 3022 > - > " Donald Snow " < don83407 <don83407%40msn.com> > > < Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com>> > Friday, April 09, 2010 1:57 PM > RE: Diabetic neuropathy > > > > > I'm so happy for that. I get these same results 97% of the time no matter > > > what the active sx. > > > > > > > > By the way. I am currently looking for a full-time acupuncturist to join > > me in my clinic now and possibly for a hospital position in the future > > after I train him or her up. It is a guaranteed salaried position with a > > percentage bonus system. We work hard here, but we pay well, too. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Dr. Donald J. Snow, Jr., DAOM, MPH > > > > > > > > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > > petrabuchanan <petrabuchanan%40> > > Fri, 9 Apr 2010 13:50:05 -0700 > > RE: Diabetic neuropathy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Donald, I wanted to let you know that I used your treatment on my > > patient and her symptoms completely went away for a day after just one > > treatment. So thank you. I love it when I can get such amazing results > > with just a few needles. > > --- On Tue, 3/16/10, Donald Snow < don83407 <don83407%40msn.com>> wrote: > > > > Donald Snow < don83407 <don83407%40msn.com> > > > RE: Diabetic neuropathy > > To: Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > > Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 7:36 AM > > > > I'm so sorry for the confusion. I meant Yishu/Weiguanxiashu. Hope this > > works for you. > > > > I am sincerely, > > > > Don Snow > > > > > > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > > petrabuchanan <petrabuchanan%40> > > Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:20:21 -0700 > > RE: Diabetic neuropathy > > > > > > > > Hi Donald, I am a little confused. You said three points and there are > > four points you mentioned. Should I use Pi Shu or Wei Guan Xia Shu or > > both? > > > > Thank you, Petra > > > > Also my patient is starting to feel stronger and has more energy! > > > > --- On Thu, 3/11/10, Donald Snow < don83407 <don83407%40msn.com>> wrote: > > > > Donald Snow < don83407 <don83407%40msn.com> > > > RE: Diabetic neuropathy > > To: Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > > Thursday, March 11, 2010, 9:16 AM > > > > I used these points as empirical and I did not do any TCM diagnostics. > > Blood glucose levels dropped very significantly in 70% of all patients > > treated, and they dropped immediately and continued to drop for the > > remainder of the day. It must be noted that I did, indeed, experiment > > with other points in addition to my protocol. The result was that 100% of > > > the time, the patient's BCG did not drop at all and even increased. That > > means that to get the desired results, the protocol must be rigidly > > followed. > > > > Sorry if that info was disappointing, but that was the research outcome. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Dr. Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. > > > > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > > daniel.schulman <daniel.schulman%40> > > Wed, 10 Mar 2010 03:48:04 -0800 > > Re: Diabetic neuropathy > > > > > > > > Its not been my finding that in all cases, treating 'Liver' makes blood > > sugar rise.When I do a full 'Kiiko' palpation of the patient, from head > to > > toe, in some diabetic cases, Liver reflexes are very active and demand > > attention - in these cases, I presume Liver metabolism of glucose is part > > > of the 'problem' (at the physiologic level) and when I treat accordingly, > > > in these cases, blood sugar responds well.I will also add, that in > > addition to UB 20, in almost every diabetic patient I have ever treated > as > > well as any one with sugar metabolism problems of any kind (hypoglycemic > > tendencies, etc), Kiiko's sugar imbalance reflex (Hua Tuo Jia Ji of T11 > > and T12) is almost highly highly reactive (spastic on palpation) and when > > > needled directly, brings about dramatic effect. > > Daniel > > --- On Wed, 3/10/10, < johnkokko<johnkokko%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > < johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com> > > > Re: Diabetic neuropathy > > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > > Received: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 8:30 AM > > > > Dr. Snow, > > > > Thanks for the findings... > > > > Interesting that the SP and KD back-shu points lower blood sugar levels, > > but > > > > UB 18 (LV) can make blood glucose rise. > > > > Is this an instance with wood overacting on earth, making the earth > > weaker? > > > > As the Nei jing states... when problems with the earth, avoid the sour > > > > flavor (LV). > > > > K > > > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Donald Snow <don83407 (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Use Kiiko's pachi-pachi e'stim with three needles on each foot with > three > > > >> stimulations each. The results should be immediate and profound. This > > > >> treatment is even more efficacious when used with a Russian SCENAR with > >> 60% > > > >> to 100% relief on the first visit. It takes 9 to 15 treatments on > average > > > >> for permanent resolution of the neuropathy. They must control their > blood > > > >> glucose. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> To lower blood glucose levels only three points are needed. It is > > > >> important to add no other points. Before inserting the needles, get > their > > > >> blood glucose level. If it is high, needle the following points: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> PiShu/weiguanxiashu bilat > > > >> > > > >> UB 23 bilat > > > >> > > > >> Kid 3 bilat > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Retain needle for 30 minutes and retest their BCG. It should drop > > > >> significantly. If you misplace pishu and needle UB 18, their BCG will > >> rise. > > > >> Therefore, it is important to have the correct locations. > > > >> > > > >> If you want to know more about this protocol, contact PCOM and ask for > >> Dr. > > > >> Snow's doctoral dissertation on Diabetes. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Dr. Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> johnkokko (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > >> Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:53:47 -0800 > > > >> Re: Diabetic neuropathy > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Mike, > > > >> Yes.... this patient is the kind of guy who doesn't want to admit that > he > > > >> feels any pressure pain anywhere, > > > >> except that he complains a lot about his feet neuropathy. > > > >> So, the oketsu and immune were tight, but no pressure pain elicited from > > > > >> the > > > >> patient. > > > >> Of all of the hara reflexes, adrenal (under the navel) came up, so it > > > >> directed me to KD 6, which halved the pins and needles sensation alone. > > > >> Also, LV 3 and ST 41 has been very helpful for this patient. > > > >> While pressing LI 4 strongly, most of the pins/needles would go away > > > >> completely, so that's his homework. > > > >> > > > >> The first treatment, I tried the points for peripheral neuropathy in > > > >> Kiiko's > > > >> Clinical Vol 2, but didn't see immediate results, > > > >> so I tried each point one-by-one checking and rechecking the nerve > > > >> sensation > > > >> on the bottom of his feet. > > > >> Of Kiiko's treatment from pgs. 129-137 in Vol 2, I tried Ren 12, 13, SP > > > >> 3.2, > > > >> ST Qi line, Lung 4/ 8, but these were not as effective as the points I > > > >> wrote > > > >> out earlier. Surprisingly, ST 36 and GB 34 were not as effective as I > >> would > > > >> assume. > > > >> The ankle fulcrum treatment was immediately effective... KD 6, ST 41 and > > >> UB > > > >> 62, but found that UB 62 was not needed, so retained KD 6 and ST 41. I > > > >> have yet to try the Kiiko back treatment for peripheral neuropathy (kori > > > > >> around UB 42, lumbar eyes, sugar points around UB 20/21), because the > >> other > > > >> treatment was working so well, but it would be worthwhile to do that the > > > > >> next treatment. > > > >> The second treatment I needled KD 1, which was very lasting through the > > > >> week > > > >> and effective, but he requested that I don't needle that point because > of > > > >> the obvious pain that can sometimes occur, so instead, I needle LV 3 > > > >> thru-thru towards KD 1. > > > >> > > > >> Let me know how your treatments go.. it's good to share this info, > > > >> K > > > >> > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 ok, I have one of those laying around in a drawer, and what points do you use it on neuropathy? Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angelapfa www.InnerhealthSalem.com Phone: 503 364 3022 - " " " Chinese Medicine " <Chinese Medicine > Monday, April 19, 2010 8:51 AM Re: Re: TCM -Pachi pachi > pachi pachi is a device dr richard tan sells to stim acu points. it looks > like a lagre pen light. pressing the distal end causes a kind of an > electric 'spark' which stims the point. tan recs it for peds. > > kath > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. < > angelapfa wrote: > >> >> >> What is pachi pachi e stim? And where are the points for diabetic >> neuropathy you are using? >> >> Regards, >> Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. >> >> angelapfa <angelapfa%40comcast.net> >> >> www.InnerhealthSalem.com >> >> Phone: 503 364 3022 >> - >> Petra Buchanan >> To: >> Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> >> Monday, April 12, 2010 11:06 AM >> RE: Diabetic neuropathy >> >> What is the pachi pachi e-stim. I don't think you mentioned that before. >> >> --- On Mon, 4/12/10, Donald Snow <don83407 <don83407%40msn.com>> >> wrote: >> >> Donald Snow <don83407 <don83407%40msn.com>> >> RE: Diabetic neuropathy >> To: >> Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> >> Monday, April 12, 2010, 7:48 AM >> >> No, the point rx you are talking about, Weiguanxiashu, UB 23, and Ki 3 >> are >> only for Diabetes (high blood glucose). The other point rx with >> pachi-pachi >> e'stim was for neuropathy. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Don J. Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. >> >> To: >> Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> >> anne.crowley <anne.crowley%40comcast.net> >> Sun, 11 Apr 2010 15:48:33 +0000 >> Re: Diabetic neuropathy >> >> Yes, please review them all in English. That would be quite helpful. >> >> Anne >> >> Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac. >> www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com >> >> - >> " Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. " >> <angelapfa<angelapfa%40comcast.net>> >> >> " Traditional " < >> Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com>> >> >> Friday, April 9, 2010 5:42:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >> Re: Diabetic neuropathy >> >> I am a bit confused. What are the English names of the points you are >> using? >> And the rule is only those points and no other ones and that is the >> treatment for diabetic neuropathy? >> >> Regards, >> Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. >> >> angelapfa <angelapfa%40comcast.net> >> >> www.InnerhealthSalem.com >> >> Phone: 503 364 3022 >> - >> " Donald Snow " < don83407 <don83407%40msn.com> > >> < >> Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com>> >> Friday, April 09, 2010 1:57 PM >> RE: Diabetic neuropathy >> >> > >> > I'm so happy for that. I get these same results 97% of the time no >> > matter >> >> > what the active sx. >> > >> > >> > >> > By the way. I am currently looking for a full-time acupuncturist to >> > join >> > me in my clinic now and possibly for a hospital position in the future >> > after I train him or her up. It is a guaranteed salaried position with >> > a >> > percentage bonus system. We work hard here, but we pay well, too. >> > >> > >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > >> > Dr. Donald J. Snow, Jr., DAOM, MPH >> > >> > >> > >> > To: >> > Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> >> > petrabuchanan <petrabuchanan%40> >> > Fri, 9 Apr 2010 13:50:05 -0700 >> > RE: Diabetic neuropathy >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Hi Donald, I wanted to let you know that I used your treatment on my >> > patient and her symptoms completely went away for a day after just one >> > treatment. So thank you. I love it when I can get such amazing results >> > with just a few needles. >> > --- On Tue, 3/16/10, Donald Snow < don83407 >> > <don83407%40msn.com>> wrote: >> > >> > Donald Snow < don83407 <don83407%40msn.com> > >> > RE: Diabetic neuropathy >> > To: >> > Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> >> > Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 7:36 AM >> > >> > I'm so sorry for the confusion. I meant Yishu/Weiguanxiashu. Hope this >> > works for you. >> > >> > I am sincerely, >> > >> > Don Snow >> > >> > >> > To: >> > Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> >> > petrabuchanan <petrabuchanan%40> >> > Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:20:21 -0700 >> > RE: Diabetic neuropathy >> > >> > >> > >> > Hi Donald, I am a little confused. You said three points and there are >> > four points you mentioned. Should I use Pi Shu or Wei Guan Xia Shu or >> > both? >> > >> > Thank you, Petra >> > >> > Also my patient is starting to feel stronger and has more energy! >> > >> > --- On Thu, 3/11/10, Donald Snow < don83407 >> > <don83407%40msn.com>> wrote: >> > >> > Donald Snow < don83407 <don83407%40msn.com> > >> > RE: Diabetic neuropathy >> > To: >> > Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> >> > Thursday, March 11, 2010, 9:16 AM >> > >> > I used these points as empirical and I did not do any TCM diagnostics. >> > Blood glucose levels dropped very significantly in 70% of all patients >> > treated, and they dropped immediately and continued to drop for the >> > remainder of the day. It must be noted that I did, indeed, experiment >> > with other points in addition to my protocol. The result was that 100% >> > of >> >> > the time, the patient's BCG did not drop at all and even increased. >> > That >> > means that to get the desired results, the protocol must be rigidly >> > followed. >> > >> > Sorry if that info was disappointing, but that was the research >> > outcome. >> > >> > Sincerely, >> > >> > Dr. Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. >> > >> > To: >> > Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> >> > daniel.schulman <daniel.schulman%40> >> > Wed, 10 Mar 2010 03:48:04 -0800 >> > Re: Diabetic neuropathy >> > >> > >> > >> > Its not been my finding that in all cases, treating 'Liver' makes blood >> > sugar rise.When I do a full 'Kiiko' palpation of the patient, from head >> to >> > toe, in some diabetic cases, Liver reflexes are very active and demand >> > attention - in these cases, I presume Liver metabolism of glucose is >> > part >> >> > of the 'problem' (at the physiologic level) and when I treat >> > accordingly, >> >> > in these cases, blood sugar responds well.I will also add, that in >> > addition to UB 20, in almost every diabetic patient I have ever treated >> as >> > well as any one with sugar metabolism problems of any kind >> > (hypoglycemic >> > tendencies, etc), Kiiko's sugar imbalance reflex (Hua Tuo Jia Ji of T11 >> > and T12) is almost highly highly reactive (spastic on palpation) and >> > when >> >> > needled directly, brings about dramatic effect. >> > Daniel >> > --- On Wed, 3/10/10, < >> > johnkokko<johnkokko%40gmail.com>> wrote: >> > >> > < johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com> > >> > Re: Diabetic neuropathy >> > To: >> > Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> >> > Received: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 8:30 AM >> > >> > Dr. Snow, >> > >> > Thanks for the findings... >> > >> > Interesting that the SP and KD back-shu points lower blood sugar >> > levels, >> > but >> > >> > UB 18 (LV) can make blood glucose rise. >> > >> > Is this an instance with wood overacting on earth, making the earth >> > weaker? >> > >> > As the Nei jing states... when problems with the earth, avoid the sour >> > >> > flavor (LV). >> > >> > K >> > >> > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Donald Snow <don83407 (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote: >> > >> >> >> > >> >> Use Kiiko's pachi-pachi e'stim with three needles on each foot with >> three >> > >> >> stimulations each. The results should be immediate and profound. This >> > >> >> treatment is even more efficacious when used with a Russian SCENAR >> >> with >> >> 60% >> > >> >> to 100% relief on the first visit. It takes 9 to 15 treatments on >> average >> > >> >> for permanent resolution of the neuropathy. They must control their >> blood >> > >> >> glucose. >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> To lower blood glucose levels only three points are needed. It is >> > >> >> important to add no other points. Before inserting the needles, get >> their >> > >> >> blood glucose level. If it is high, needle the following points: >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> PiShu/weiguanxiashu bilat >> > >> >> >> > >> >> UB 23 bilat >> > >> >> >> > >> >> Kid 3 bilat >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> Retain needle for 30 minutes and retest their BCG. It should drop >> > >> >> significantly. If you misplace pishu and needle UB 18, their BCG will >> >> rise. >> > >> >> Therefore, it is important to have the correct locations. >> > >> >> >> > >> >> If you want to know more about this protocol, contact PCOM and ask for >> >> Dr. >> > >> >> Snow's doctoral dissertation on Diabetes. >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> Dr. Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> johnkokko (AT) gmail (DOT) com >> > >> >> Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:53:47 -0800 >> > >> >> Re: Diabetic neuropathy >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> Mike, >> > >> >> Yes.... this patient is the kind of guy who doesn't want to admit that >> he >> > >> >> feels any pressure pain anywhere, >> > >> >> except that he complains a lot about his feet neuropathy. >> > >> >> So, the oketsu and immune were tight, but no pressure pain elicited >> >> from >> >> > >> >> the >> > >> >> patient. >> > >> >> Of all of the hara reflexes, adrenal (under the navel) came up, so it >> > >> >> directed me to KD 6, which halved the pins and needles sensation >> >> alone. >> > >> >> Also, LV 3 and ST 41 has been very helpful for this patient. >> > >> >> While pressing LI 4 strongly, most of the pins/needles would go away >> > >> >> completely, so that's his homework. >> > >> >> >> > >> >> The first treatment, I tried the points for peripheral neuropathy in >> > >> >> Kiiko's >> > >> >> Clinical Vol 2, but didn't see immediate results, >> > >> >> so I tried each point one-by-one checking and rechecking the nerve >> > >> >> sensation >> > >> >> on the bottom of his feet. >> > >> >> Of Kiiko's treatment from pgs. 129-137 in Vol 2, I tried Ren 12, 13, >> >> SP >> > >> >> 3.2, >> > >> >> ST Qi line, Lung 4/ 8, but these were not as effective as the points I >> > >> >> wrote >> > >> >> out earlier. Surprisingly, ST 36 and GB 34 were not as effective as I >> >> would >> > >> >> assume. >> > >> >> The ankle fulcrum treatment was immediately effective... KD 6, ST 41 >> >> and >> >> >> UB >> > >> >> 62, but found that UB 62 was not needed, so retained KD 6 and ST 41. I >> > >> >> have yet to try the Kiiko back treatment for peripheral neuropathy >> >> (kori >> >> > >> >> around UB 42, lumbar eyes, sugar points around UB 20/21), because the >> >> other >> > >> >> treatment was working so well, but it would be worthwhile to do that >> >> the >> >> > >> >> next treatment. >> > >> >> The second treatment I needled KD 1, which was very lasting through >> >> the >> > >> >> week >> > >> >> and effective, but he requested that I don't needle that point because >> of >> > >> >> the obvious pain that can sometimes occur, so instead, I needle LV 3 >> > >> >> thru-thru towards KD 1. >> > >> >> >> > >> >> Let me know how your treatments go.. it's good to share this info, >> > >> >> K >> > >> >> >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 use the same points that you would needle, just stim with pachi pachi instead. keep in mind that it like a little shock kind of sensation: wouldn't advice using it on the face or other sensitive areas. kath On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. < angelapfa wrote: > > > ok, I have one of those laying around in a drawer, and what points do you > use it on neuropathy? > > > Regards, > Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. > > angelapfa <angelapfa%40comcast.net> > > www.InnerhealthSalem.com > > Phone: 503 364 3022 > ----- > > > -- Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA Oriental Medicine Experienced, Dedicated, Effective Abstain from all that is evil. Perform all that is good. Purify your thoughts. This is the teaching of the Buddhas. Follow Your Bliss! Joseph Campbell Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: http://acukath.blogspot.com/ Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist Available at Asheville Center for : www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC Amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\ 1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1 and from the following supply companies: Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1 Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \ product=5554 & pg= Asheville Center For 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 kbartlett www.AcupunctureAsheville.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 There are actually some excellent applications for the face and head if you know what your doing. Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. Chinese Medicine acukath Tue, 20 Apr 2010 17:38:41 -0400 Re: Re: TCM -Pachi pachi use the same points that you would needle, just stim with pachi pachi instead. keep in mind that it like a little shock kind of sensation: wouldn't advice using it on the face or other sensitive areas. kath On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. < angelapfa wrote: > > > ok, I have one of those laying around in a drawer, and what points do you > use it on neuropathy? > > > Regards, > Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. > > angelapfa <angelapfa%40comcast.net> > > www.InnerhealthSalem.com > > Phone: 503 364 3022 > ----- > > > -- Oriental Medicine Experienced, Dedicated, Effective Abstain from all that is evil. Perform all that is good. Purify your thoughts. This is the teaching of the Buddhas. Follow Your Bliss! Joseph Campbell Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: http://acukath.blogspot.com/ Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist Available at Asheville Center for : www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC Amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\ 1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1 and from the following supply companies: Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1 Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \ product=5554 & pg= Asheville Center For 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 kbartlett www.AcupunctureAsheville.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 I thought the main purpose of pachi pachi was that you can self-administer acupuncture virtually everywhere. So for neuropathy, you would do the points in the web of the toes? Why would this be superior to using needles? Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angelapfa www.InnerhealthSalem.com Phone: 503 364 3022 - " Donald Snow " <don83407 <Chinese Traditional Medicine > Tuesday, April 20, 2010 3:15 PM RE: Re: TCM -Pachi pachi > > There are actually some excellent applications for the face and head if > you know what your doing. > > > > Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. > > > > Chinese Medicine > acukath > Tue, 20 Apr 2010 17:38:41 -0400 > Re: Re: TCM -Pachi pachi > > > > > > use the same points that you would needle, just stim with pachi pachi > instead. keep in mind that it like a little shock kind of sensation: > wouldn't advice using it on the face or other sensitive areas. > > kath > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. < > angelapfa wrote: > >> >> >> ok, I have one of those laying around in a drawer, and what points do you >> use it on neuropathy? >> >> >> Regards, >> Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. >> >> angelapfa <angelapfa%40comcast.net> >> >> www.InnerhealthSalem.com >> >> Phone: 503 364 3022 >> ----- >> >> >> > > -- > > Oriental Medicine > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective > > Abstain from all that is evil. > Perform all that is good. > Purify your thoughts. > This is the teaching of the Buddhas. > > Follow Your Bliss! > Joseph Campbell > > Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: > http://acukath.blogspot.com/ > > Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist > Available at Asheville Center for : > www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com > > Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC > > Amazon.com > http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\ 1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1 > > and from the following supply companies: > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown > https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1 > > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC > http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \ product=5554 & pg= > > Asheville Center For > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 > kbartlett > www.AcupunctureAsheville.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 the pachi pachi is an inexpensive electronic point stimulator. if you feel comfortable you could teach the patient how to use it at home. personally i feel needles are superior. but for needle phobs, or sensitivities, or peds, you could use the pachi pachi or other electronic pt stim instead. i do dr tan balance method, so i would stim/needle points in the hand to tx neuropathy of the feet. kath On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. < angelapfa wrote: > > > I thought the main purpose of pachi pachi was that you can self-administer > acupuncture virtually everywhere. > So for neuropathy, you would do the points in the web of the toes? Why > would > this be superior to using needles? > > > Regards, > Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. > > angelapfa <angelapfa%40comcast.net> > > www.InnerhealthSalem.com > > Phone: 503 364 3022 > - > " Donald Snow " <don83407 <don83407%40msn.com>> > To: <Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yah\ oogroups.com> > > > Tuesday, April 20, 2010 3:15 PM > RE: Re: TCM -Pachi pachi > > > > > There are actually some excellent applications for the face and head if > > you know what your doing. > > > > > > > > Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. > > > > > > > > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > > acukath <acukath%40gmail.com> > > Tue, 20 Apr 2010 17:38:41 -0400 > > > Re: Re: TCM -Pachi pachi > > > > > > > > > > > > use the same points that you would needle, just stim with pachi pachi > > instead. keep in mind that it like a little shock kind of sensation: > > wouldn't advice using it on the face or other sensitive areas. > > > > kath > > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. < > > angelapfa <angelapfa%40comcast.net>> wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> ok, I have one of those laying around in a drawer, and what points do > you > >> use it on neuropathy? > >> > >> > >> Regards, > >> Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. > >> > >> angelapfa <angelapfa%40comcast.net> <angelapfa% > 40comcast.net> > > >> > >> www.InnerhealthSalem.com > >> > >> Phone: 503 364 3022 > >> ----- > >> > >> > >> > > > > -- > > > > Oriental Medicine > > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective > > > > Abstain from all that is evil. > > Perform all that is good. > > Purify your thoughts. > > This is the teaching of the Buddhas. > > > > Follow Your Bliss! > > Joseph Campbell > > > > Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: > > http://acukath.blogspot.com/ > > > > Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints > > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist > > Available at Asheville Center for : > > www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com > > > > Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC > > > > Amazon.com > > > http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\ 1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1 > > > > and from the following supply companies: > > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown > > https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1 > > > > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC > > > http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \ product=5554 & pg= > > > > Asheville Center For > > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two > > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 > > kbartlett<kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com> > > www.AcupunctureAsheville.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 Kiiko has used the pachi-pachi unit for various eye conditions along with a diode chain, successfully helping. Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc > Chinese Traditional Medicine > don83407 > Tue, 20 Apr 2010 17:15:03 -0500 > RE: Re: TCM -Pachi pachi > > > There are actually some excellent applications for the face and head if you know what your doing. > > > > Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. > > > > Chinese Medicine > acukath > Tue, 20 Apr 2010 17:38:41 -0400 > Re: Re: TCM -Pachi pachi > > > > > > use the same points that you would needle, just stim with pachi pachi > instead. keep in mind that it like a little shock kind of sensation: > wouldn't advice using it on the face or other sensitive areas. > > kath > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. < > angelapfa wrote: > > > > > > > ok, I have one of those laying around in a drawer, and what points do you > > use it on neuropathy? > > > > > > Regards, > > Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. > > > > angelapfa <angelapfa%40comcast.net> > > > > www.InnerhealthSalem.com > > > > Phone: 503 364 3022 > > ----- > > > > > > > > -- > > Oriental Medicine > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective > > Abstain from all that is evil. > Perform all that is good. > Purify your thoughts. > This is the teaching of the Buddhas. > > Follow Your Bliss! > Joseph Campbell > > Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: > http://acukath.blogspot.com/ > > Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist > Available at Asheville Center for : > www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com > > Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC > > Amazon.com > http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\ 1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1 > > and from the following supply companies: > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown > https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1 > > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC > http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \ product=5554 & pg= > > Asheville Center For > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 > kbartlett > www.AcupunctureAsheville.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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