Guest guest Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Needle points on the stomach channel(Find ashi points in the intercostal spaces, this is also good for treating anxiety) and liver and gb channel above and below the breasts, pc6 and rn17 open the chest and send more nutrition there, arm three li, if kidney/ht problem you can do kid27. You can open the dai(to open the ribcage) with gb41, needle some ashi points on the thorax, then close with tw6. Correct any underlying blood def and qi stagnation by treating the liver and spleen/stomach, 4 gates, st36, moxa sp shu, dong quai, xiao yao san...Postural problems lead to sagging breasts, you must educate the woman to breath into the chest, stand with the chest out, chin tucked back a little bit and chest not constricted, hips and lower back slightly tilted forward(like the yoga " easy pose " ) then treat the back shoulders and neck. Ergonomic issues such as a low computer moniter at work must be corrected. Eating placenta pills, sheep, human, deer or pig is the strongest berb for the breasts at a hormonal level. I have increased cup size by one or two letters several times with Oriental medicine, no kidding. Damania is also a good herb, advise woman to self-massage with warm castor(shrinks hard masses detoxifies breast tissue) oil at home. This type of treatment is not just cosmetic it can help prevent breast cancer and correct hormonal issues, like when a young woman is growing a moustache and has empty, sagging breasts that is a hormonal problem and should be treated not ignored. Chinese Medicine , " Mercurius Trismegistus " <magisterium_magnum wrote: > > Ok, my girlfriend is a lawyer, and one of her friends claims to have " augmented " her breasts by a full cup size using acupuncture. So now the gf and a bunch of her friends are coming to me for the lowdown. LOL. They all want to know if I can do this for them. Anyway, I have some ideas. Basically tonify yin, fill the chong meridian with blood. Maybe do like gb21, maybe some ub points on the upper back. Maybe some stomach meridian points. > But these are professional women who have money, and it strikes me there could be money in this. I don't mean to say it's something I would advertise, but it's definitely somthing I'll be looking into. There seems to be demand. Looks like I'll be getting some visits in the student clinic. > Anyway, has anyone had any experience with this sort of thing? They teach " facial beautification, " but they don't tend to go this far. > I think what happened is the woman in question was maybe older, and the acupuncture maybe made her breasts firmer or more full of qi and blood or something. Frankly I think increasing general energy levels is a huge part of " beautification. " If the person feels better and has more energy, they will look better and radiate more energy. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Ok, my girlfriend is a lawyer, and one of her friends claims to have " augmented " her breasts by a full cup size using acupuncture. So now the gf and a bunch of her friends are coming to me for the lowdown. LOL. They all want to know if I can do this for them. Anyway, I have some ideas. Basically tonify yin, fill the chong meridian with blood. Maybe do like gb21, maybe some ub points on the upper back. Maybe some stomach meridian points. But these are professional women who have money, and it strikes me there could be money in this. I don't mean to say it's something I would advertise, but it's definitely somthing I'll be looking into. There seems to be demand. Looks like I'll be getting some visits in the student clinic. Anyway, has anyone had any experience with this sort of thing? They teach " facial beautification, " but they don't tend to go this far. I think what happened is the woman in question was maybe older, and the acupuncture maybe made her breasts firmer or more full of qi and blood or something. Frankly I think increasing general energy levels is a huge part of " beautification. " If the person feels better and has more energy, they will look better and radiate more energy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Jason wrote: " ...advise woman to self-massage with warm castor(shrinks hard masses detoxifies breast tissue) oil at home. This type of treatment is not just cosmetic it can help prevent breast cancer and correct hormonal issues, " Jason, the castor oil packs on the chest and breast..... what's your view in cancer cases? ( " shrinks hard masses detoxifies breast tissue " ). Do you only advise this to prevent breast cancer or also in the treatment of.... K On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 12:09 AM, jasonwcom <jasonwcom wrote: > > > Needle points on the stomach channel(Find ashi points in the intercostal > spaces, this is also good for treating anxiety) and liver and gb channel > above and below the breasts, pc6 and rn17 open the chest and send more > nutrition there, arm three li, if kidney/ht problem you can do kid27. You > can open the dai(to open the ribcage) with gb41, needle some ashi points on > the thorax, then close with tw6. Correct any underlying blood def and qi > stagnation by treating the liver and spleen/stomach, 4 gates, st36, moxa sp > shu, dong quai, xiao yao san...Postural problems lead to sagging breasts, > you must educate the woman to breath into the chest, stand with the chest > out, chin tucked back a little bit and chest not constricted, hips and lower > back slightly tilted forward(like the yoga " easy pose " ) then treat the back > shoulders and neck. Ergonomic issues such as a low computer moniter at work > must be corrected. Eating placenta pills, sheep, human, deer or pig is the > strongest berb for the breasts at a hormonal level. I have increased cup > size by one or two letters several times with Oriental medicine, no kidding. > Damania is also a good herb, advise woman to self-massage with warm > castor(shrinks hard masses detoxifies breast tissue) oil at home. This type > of treatment is not just cosmetic it can help prevent breast cancer and > correct hormonal issues, like when a young woman is growing a moustache and > has empty, sagging breasts that is a hormonal problem and should be treated > not ignored. > > --- In Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > " Mercurius Trismegistus " <magisterium_magnum wrote: > > > > Ok, my girlfriend is a lawyer, and one of her friends claims to have > " augmented " her breasts by a full cup size using acupuncture. So now the gf > and a bunch of her friends are coming to me for the lowdown. LOL. They all > want to know if I can do this for them. Anyway, I have some ideas. Basically > tonify yin, fill the chong meridian with blood. Maybe do like gb21, maybe > some ub points on the upper back. Maybe some stomach meridian points. > > But these are professional women who have money, and it strikes me there > could be money in this. I don't mean to say it's something I would > advertise, but it's definitely somthing I'll be looking into. There seems to > be demand. Looks like I'll be getting some visits in the student clinic. > > Anyway, has anyone had any experience with this sort of thing? They teach > " facial beautification, " but they don't tend to go this far. > > I think what happened is the woman in question was maybe older, and the > acupuncture maybe made her breasts firmer or more full of qi and blood or > something. Frankly I think increasing general energy levels is a huge part > of " beautification. " If the person feels better and has more energy, they > will look better and radiate more energy. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Mercurius, " But these are professional women who have money, and it strikes me there could be money in this. I don't mean to say it's something I would advertise, but it's definitely somthing I'll be looking into. There seems to be demand " You could be like " Taub " on House MD. Another thing that would be very profitable is to help reduce the scars from women who had breast implant surgery and surgery from breast cancer. Most women don't need bigger breasts, just healthier ones, but between acupuncture and herbs or silicone, that's an easy choice. K On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 1:30 AM, Mercurius Trismegistus < magisterium_magnum wrote: > > > Ok, my girlfriend is a lawyer, and one of her friends claims to have > " augmented " her breasts by a full cup size using acupuncture. So now the gf > and a bunch of her friends are coming to me for the lowdown. LOL. They all > want to know if I can do this for them. Anyway, I have some ideas. Basically > tonify yin, fill the chong meridian with blood. Maybe do like gb21, maybe > some ub points on the upper back. Maybe some stomach meridian points. > But these are professional women who have money, and it strikes me there > could be money in this. I don't mean to say it's something I would > advertise, but it's definitely somthing I'll be looking into. There seems to > be demand. Looks like I'll be getting some visits in the student clinic. > Anyway, has anyone had any experience with this sort of thing? They teach > " facial beautification, " but they don't tend to go this far. > I think what happened is the woman in question was maybe older, and the > acupuncture maybe made her breasts firmer or more full of qi and blood or > something. Frankly I think increasing general energy levels is a huge part > of " beautification. " If the person feels better and has more energy, they > will look better and radiate more energy. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Hi Jason - one of my usual questions: What are the timeframes involved? Thanks, Hugo ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www.middlemedicine.org ________________________________ jasonwcom <jasonwcom Chinese Medicine Fri, 16 April, 2010 3:09:37 Re: Breast " Augmentation. " Needle points on the stomach channel(Find ashi points in the intercostal spaces, this is also good for treating anxiety) and liver and gb channel above and below the breasts, pc6 and rn17 open the chest and send more nutrition there, arm three li, if kidney/ht problem you can do kid27. You can open the dai(to open the ribcage) with gb41, needle some ashi points on the thorax, then close with tw6. Correct any underlying blood def and qi stagnation by treating the liver and spleen/stomach, 4 gates, st36, moxa sp shu, dong quai, xiao yao san...Postural problems lead to sagging breasts, you must educate the woman to breath into the chest, stand with the chest out, chin tucked back a little bit and chest not constricted, hips and lower back slightly tilted forward(like the yoga " easy pose " ) then treat the back shoulders and neck. Ergonomic issues such as a low computer moniter at work must be corrected. Eating placenta pills, sheep, human, deer or pig is the stro_._,___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 An observation - a little tongue-in-cheek - the only practitioners posting on this thread so far, are guys What always concerns me about this era in which plastic surgery is now available for pretty much anything, including labial trimming, is that few health professionals involved in these procedures show much overt evidence of attending to the complexities of body image, belief in self, and self acceptance - before getting the knives out, so to speak. If we are going to offer non-surgical breast augmentations, and facial 'resurfacing' etc, what will be our first enquiries and observations of those seeking these 'solutions'? And is there another 'solution' to these concerns about physical appearance, which has nothing to do with knives or needles? Margi Macdonald BHScAc http://wp.me/pverz-9W Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 One patient went from a size 0 to a B cup in 10 treatments she is thrilled...Timeframe depends several of these patients I was treating pain, structure and postural issues related to car accidents, the breasts grew as a side effect. I helped one woman quit adderal and she took a lot of tonic herbs I gave her and the breasts grew so I can't take full credit for that one... -Jason Bergman D.Ac.(RI) Chinese Medicine , Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: > > Hi Jason - one of my usual questions: What are the timeframes involved? > > Thanks, > > Hugo > > > ________________________________ > Hugo Ramiro > http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com > http://www.middlemedicine.org > > > > > > ________________________________ > jasonwcom <jasonwcom > Chinese Medicine > Fri, 16 April, 2010 3:09:37 > Re: Breast " Augmentation. " > > > Needle points on the stomach channel(Find ashi points in the intercostal spaces, this is also good for treating anxiety) and liver and gb channel above and below the breasts, pc6 and rn17 open the chest and send more nutrition there, arm three li, if kidney/ht problem you can do kid27. You can open the dai(to open the ribcage) with gb41, needle some ashi points on the thorax, then close with tw6. Correct any underlying blood def and qi stagnation by treating the liver and spleen/stomach, 4 gates, st36, moxa sp shu, dong quai, xiao yao san...Postural problems lead to sagging breasts, you must educate the woman to breath into the chest, stand with the chest out, chin tucked back a little bit and chest not constricted, hips and lower back slightly tilted forward(like the yoga " easy pose " ) then treat the back shoulders and neck. Ergonomic issues such as a low computer moniter at work must be corrected. Eating placenta pills, sheep, human, deer or pig is > the stro_._,___ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 Its not tcm at all but supposedly warm castor oil has cured many women of breast lumps and breast cancer, it's not proven but I don't think it can hurt, some woman also invented a bra that is supposed to massage the lymph ducts around the breasts I saw her on the news boy did they rip into her that her bra invention was unproven science, I thought she was going to cry...It's controversial whether massage can spread cancer I think any type of lymphatic drainage is going to improve it, the cancer developed in the 1st place from a combo of poor lymph circulation, toxin intake, inflammation, and genetics...my tui na teacher suggested to massage away from the nipple for lumpy breasts...Cutting into and removing tumors some theorize makes them grow more, even doing a biopsy lets the cancer cells " breath " then they grow more according to some MDs...BTW I was trying to say that " acupuncture treatment " for breast/chest health is not just cosmetic, it's good medicine for the whole body...Men with sunken chest should be treated too... --- > Jason, the castor oil packs on the chest and breast..... what's your view in > cancer cases? ( " shrinks hard masses detoxifies breast tissue " ). > Do you only advise this to prevent breast cancer or also in the treatment > of.... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 Thanks, Jason. Hugo ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www.middlemedicine.org ________________________________ jasonwcom <jasonwcom Chinese Medicine Sat, 17 April, 2010 21:21:53 Re: Breast " Augmentation. " One patient went from a size 0 to a B cup in 10 treatments she is thrilled...Timefram e depends several of these patients I was treating pain, structure and postural issues related to car accidents, the breasts grew as a side effect. I helped one woman quit adderal and she took a lot of tonic herbs I gave her and the breasts grew so I can't take full credit for that one... -Jason Bergman D.Ac.(RI) _._,___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2010 Report Share Posted April 28, 2010 Great points. The thing that struck me about this when I was originally approached by these women was that it might be a good way to get them into clinic to actually treat what was really wrong with them. LOL. Hashimoto's thyroiditis from working at a high end law firm 16 hours a day, burning out all your spleen qi? So what. But they'll come in for " breast augmentation! " - " margi.macdonald " <margi.macdonald <Chinese Medicine > Saturday, April 17, 2010 4:28 PM Re: Breast " Augmentation. " > An observation - a little tongue-in-cheek - the only practitioners posting > on this thread so far, are guys > > What always concerns me about this era in which plastic surgery is now > available for pretty much anything, including labial trimming, is that few > health professionals involved in these procedures show much overt evidence > of attending to the complexities of body image, belief in self, and self > acceptance - before getting the knives out, so to speak. > > If we are going to offer non-surgical breast augmentations, and facial > 'resurfacing' etc, what will be our first enquiries and observations of > those seeking these 'solutions'? And is there another 'solution' to these > concerns about physical appearance, which has nothing to do with knives or > needles? > > Margi Macdonald > BHScAc > http://wp.me/pverz-9W > > > > --- > > Subscribe to the free online journal for TCM at Times > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > Help build the world's largest online encyclopedia for Chinese medicine > and acupuncture, click, http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/wiki/CMTpedia > > > and adjust > accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group > requires prior permission from the author. > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely > necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2010 Report Share Posted April 28, 2010 My whole point was that this is not just a cosmetic issue, withered breasts and chest stagnation are a tcm diagnostic sign of poor health really, and should be treated in men too, I treat the chest of EVERY male I treat for depression...The beautiful thing about tcm(and ayurvedic yoga science) is that health= beauty, you can bet most of the facial rejeuv. people are doing distal points as well...Mental problems according to the ancient texts(nei jing ling shu etc...) distort the form of the face, so does ill health, when treated the facial structure can change, thus more beauty...If a man has a shrunken penis that is a disorder- I mean within the framework of his constitution, has to do with the liver's tendo-muscle channel not being nourished for several possible reasons, woman with shrunken labia same thing...If it was all women with perfect health and perfect chest health and posture trying to increase to an eee cup to get men's attention that would be one thing, but it's not like that, many, many women have issues like anxiety, poor posture from stooping at a computer moniter, problems with cigarettes that cave in the chest, hormonal issues, developmental issues etc...Plastic surgery is evil and the scarring blocks qi and blood flow causing problems later on... -JB Chinese Medicine , " margi.macdonald " <margi.macdonald wrote: > > An observation - a little tongue-in-cheek - the only practitioners posting on this thread so far, are guys > > What always concerns me about this era in which plastic surgery is now available for pretty much anything, including labial trimming, is that few health professionals involved in these procedures show much overt evidence of attending to the complexities of body image, belief in self, and self acceptance - before getting the knives out, so to speak. > > If we are going to offer non-surgical breast augmentations, and facial 'resurfacing' etc, what will be our first enquiries and observations of those seeking these 'solutions'? And is there another 'solution' to these concerns about physical appearance, which has nothing to do with knives or needles? > > Margi Macdonald > BHScAc > http://wp.me/pverz-9W > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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