T. Colin Campbell - bad news, and an acupuncture conspiracy theory

[Guest guest]

That's cool and all, but I just tend to think that acupuncture relieves pain

by " moving qi and blood. " Explaining it in terms of, " it releases

endorphins, " feeds into the idea that qi is an " explanatory fiction, " and

this is how acupuncture " really " works. Don't get me started on that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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" Hugo Ramiro " <subincor

<Chinese Medicine >

Sunday, April 18, 2010 2:38 PM

T. Colin Campbell - bad news, and an acupuncture conspiracy

theory

 

 

> Hi all;

>

> I wished to let you know that apparently T. Colin Campbell has a really

> bad rep in a lot of areas.

>

> See this website:

>

> http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/China-Study.html

>

> Maybe his PhD is fake too.

>

> I have a story - there is a researcher who worked out of Toronto for about

> 25 years. His name is Bruce Pomeranz. He held positions in the zoology and

> physiology departments, and conducted research mainly on acupuncture. He

> is one of the names behind " Clinical Acupuncture - Scientific Basis " and

> " Basics of Acupuncture " . He is also a name behind the iatrogenesis studies

> of about 10 years ago - you know the one that found about 106,000

> avoidable deaths per year in the u.s. due to properly prescribed

> pharmaceuticals? Anyway, his research on acupuncture is excellent and he

> is the one who proved, in the western world, the endorphin hypothesis as

> one mechanism by which acupuncture provides pain relief.

>

> So anyway, I was at a mini-conference given by the " " Centre for Rational

> Inquiry " or something like that a couple of years ago, and Prof Calhoun (a

> famous chemist / skeptic from the u.k.) was there giving a talk. So I went

> up and asked a question re the

> no-better-than-placebo-arthroscopic-knee-surgery-study. He completely

> evaded and deflected, didn't answer, so I pressed him again (he is, after

> all, over 70 and I thought maybe he was just thinking too much - he did

> seem a little confused). As I pressed him, it became obvious that he did,

> in fact, understand my question, and I finally got this out of him:

>

> " The effects of a study like that will eventually have an effect, down the

> road, " and he waved me off. My question had contained the sub-question of

> " if a medical therapy is disproven, what mechanism is in place to remove

> the method from healthcare? "

>

> So I went back to my seat, and the people directly behind me said, " he

> didn't answer your question " .

>

> I went up again later because he mentioned acupuncture in particular (as

> having no proof behind it) and mentioned Pomeranz. Calhoun evaded my

> question by saying he was unfamiliar with the research. I went back to my

> seat, and another man behind me and to my left spoke to me. He identified

> himself as a retired prof in physics and assured me that Pomeranz's

> research was of very poor quality and in the end meaningless bunk. This

> poor man was badly flushed with yin-deficient heat and had tremors

> throughout his arms and neck.

>

> Not the end of my story - at the very end, one man went up to the mic to

> ask Calhoun a question, identified himself as an emergency room doctor at

> a nearby hospital and expressed support for acupuncture and certain other

> therapies. He got into a yelling match with Calhoun.

>

> Bwahaha, the story goes on.

>

> In the spirit of having a stronger profession always,

> Hugo

>

> p.s.

> There is a quotation attributed to the Buddha: No matter what you say, you

> can count on half of all people being against it.

>

>

> ________________________________

> Hugo Ramiro

> http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

> http://www.middlemedicine.org

>

 

[Guest guest]

Hi all;

 

I wished to let you know that apparently T. Colin Campbell has a really bad rep

in a lot of areas.

 

See this website:

 

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/China-Study.html

 

Maybe his PhD is fake too.

 

I have a story - there is a researcher who worked out of Toronto for about 25

years. His name is Bruce Pomeranz. He held positions in the zoology and

physiology departments, and conducted research mainly on acupuncture. He is one

of the names behind " Clinical Acupuncture - Scientific Basis " and " Basics of

Acupuncture " . He is also a name behind the iatrogenesis studies of about 10

years ago - you know the one that found about 106,000 avoidable deaths per year

in the u.s. due to properly prescribed pharmaceuticals? Anyway, his research on

acupuncture is excellent and he is the one who proved, in the western world, the

endorphin hypothesis as one mechanism by which acupuncture provides pain relief.

 

So anyway, I was at a mini-conference given by the " " Centre for Rational

Inquiry " or something like that a couple of years ago, and Prof Calhoun (a

famous chemist / skeptic from the u.k.) was there giving a talk. So I went up

and asked a question re the

no-better-than-placebo-arthroscopic-knee-surgery-study. He completely evaded and

deflected, didn't answer, so I pressed him again (he is, after all, over 70 and

I thought maybe he was just thinking too much - he did seem a little confused).

As I pressed him, it became obvious that he did, in fact, understand my

question, and I finally got this out of him:

 

" The effects of a study like that will eventually have an effect, down the

road, " and he waved me off. My question had contained the sub-question of " if a

medical therapy is disproven, what mechanism is in place to remove the method

from healthcare? "

 

So I went back to my seat, and the people directly behind me said, " he didn't

answer your question " .

 

I went up again later because he mentioned acupuncture in particular (as having

no proof behind it) and mentioned Pomeranz. Calhoun evaded my question by saying

he was unfamiliar with the research. I went back to my seat, and another man

behind me and to my left spoke to me. He identified himself as a retired prof in

physics and assured me that Pomeranz's research was of very poor quality and in

the end meaningless bunk. This poor man was badly flushed with yin-deficient

heat and had tremors throughout his arms and neck.

 

Not the end of my story - at the very end, one man went up to the mic to ask

Calhoun a question, identified himself as an emergency room doctor at a nearby

hospital and expressed support for acupuncture and certain other therapies. He

got into a yelling match with Calhoun.

 

Bwahaha, the story goes on.

 

In the spirit of having a stronger profession always,

Hugo

 

p.s.

There is a quotation attributed to the Buddha: No matter what you say, you can

count on half of all people being against it.

 

 

________________________________

Hugo Ramiro

http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

http://www.middlemedicine.org

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I don't know if telling other medical professionals that acupuncture works

by " moving Qi and blood " is really the optimal way of explaining what we do.

 

At the same token, thinking in the mind-set that acupuncture works by

releasing endorphins, the gate theory, the splinter theory etc. won't make

our treatments any better either.

 

K

 

 

On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 6:31 AM, Mercurius Trismegistus <

magisterium_magnum wrote:

 

>

>

> That's cool and all, but I just tend to think that acupuncture relieves

> pain

> by " moving qi and blood. " Explaining it in terms of, " it releases

> endorphins, " feeds into the idea that qi is an " explanatory fiction, " and

> this is how acupuncture " really " works. Don't get me started on that.

>

>

> -

> " Hugo Ramiro " <subincor <subincor%40>>

> To:

<Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yah\

oogroups.com>

> >

> Sunday, April 18, 2010 2:38 PM

> T. Colin Campbell - bad news, and an acupuncture conspiracy

> theory

>

> > Hi all;

> >

> > I wished to let you know that apparently T. Colin Campbell has a really

> > bad rep in a lot of areas.

> >

> > See this website:

> >

> > http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/China-Study.html

> >

> > Maybe his PhD is fake too.

> >

> > I have a story - there is a researcher who worked out of Toronto for

> about

> > 25 years. His name is Bruce Pomeranz. He held positions in the zoology

> and

> > physiology departments, and conducted research mainly on acupuncture. He

> > is one of the names behind " Clinical Acupuncture - Scientific Basis " and

> > " Basics of Acupuncture " . He is also a name behind the iatrogenesis

> studies

> > of about 10 years ago - you know the one that found about 106,000

> > avoidable deaths per year in the u.s. due to properly prescribed

> > pharmaceuticals? Anyway, his research on acupuncture is excellent and he

> > is the one who proved, in the western world, the endorphin hypothesis as

> > one mechanism by which acupuncture provides pain relief.

> >

> > So anyway, I was at a mini-conference given by the " " Centre for Rational

> > Inquiry " or something like that a couple of years ago, and Prof Calhoun

> (a

> > famous chemist / skeptic from the u.k.) was there giving a talk. So I

> went

> > up and asked a question re the

> > no-better-than-placebo-arthroscopic-knee-surgery-study. He completely

> > evaded and deflected, didn't answer, so I pressed him again (he is, after

>

> > all, over 70 and I thought maybe he was just thinking too much - he did

> > seem a little confused). As I pressed him, it became obvious that he did,

>

> > in fact, understand my question, and I finally got this out of him:

> >

> > " The effects of a study like that will eventually have an effect, down

> the

> > road, " and he waved me off. My question had contained the sub-question of

>

> > " if a medical therapy is disproven, what mechanism is in place to remove

> > the method from healthcare? "

> >

> > So I went back to my seat, and the people directly behind me said, " he

> > didn't answer your question " .

> >

> > I went up again later because he mentioned acupuncture in particular (as

> > having no proof behind it) and mentioned Pomeranz. Calhoun evaded my

> > question by saying he was unfamiliar with the research. I went back to my

>

> > seat, and another man behind me and to my left spoke to me. He identified

>

> > himself as a retired prof in physics and assured me that Pomeranz's

> > research was of very poor quality and in the end meaningless bunk. This

> > poor man was badly flushed with yin-deficient heat and had tremors

> > throughout his arms and neck.

> >

> > Not the end of my story - at the very end, one man went up to the mic to

> > ask Calhoun a question, identified himself as an emergency room doctor at

>

> > a nearby hospital and expressed support for acupuncture and certain other

>

> > therapies. He got into a yelling match with Calhoun.

> >

> > Bwahaha, the story goes on.

> >

> > In the spirit of having a stronger profession always,

> > Hugo

> >

> > p.s.

> > There is a quotation attributed to the Buddha: No matter what you say,

> you

> > can count on half of all people being against it.

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Hugo Ramiro

> > http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

> > http://www.middlemedicine.org

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

-M.T.--

That's cool and all, but I just tend to think that acupuncture relieves pain

 

by " moving qi and blood. " Explaining it in terms of, " it releases

endorphins, " feeds into the idea that qi is an " explanatory fiction, " and

this is how acupuncture " really " works. Don't get me started on that.

 

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Meet them halfway, rope 'em in.

 

Hugo

 

________________________________

Hugo Ramiro

http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

http://www.middlemedicine.org