Degrees

April 26, 2010

R,

It sounds like you benefit from this doctor legislation in your state.

Perceptions are so different from state to state and profession to profession.

Appearance and actions are important to professions, as that is how others

determine who we are. I am glad that in your state, you are able to use doctor

or physician as I think it elevates patient's thinking of who we are.

I have a doctorate and would prefer patient's use my first name but many

respectfully use my last name. Most of my patients are Asian.

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

Chinese Medicine

acudoc11

Mon, 26 Apr 2010 13:31:43 -0400

Re: Re: Degrees

Michael

All of my patients ask me what to call me on first visit..........and I

tell them to call me.....Richard.

Although I use all the initials after my name.....I do not call myself

DOCTOR yet ALL of my patients call me DOCTOR.

I call myself an Oriental Medical Practitioner.

Maybe its because of our scope in Florida in that we DIAGNOSE & TREAT

ILLNESS & INJURY.

I'll repeat.....what else might that be if not a doctor?

Richard

In a message dated 4/26/2010 1:28:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

naturaldoc1 writes:

Richard,

I was not discussing this but post graduation and the concept of being a

professional. I know this is an individual issue but I have noticed my

share of concerns in this area. We should be polling, for our own sake, what

patients consider us to be and if we are OK with that. We might be really

shocked to know how they see us.

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

Chinese Medicine

acudoc11

Mon, 26 Apr 2010 13:10:24 -0400

Re: TCM - Re: Degrees

And whose ways might be those?

Specifically those who make money from the trade-school-cottage industry?

I think not.

Richard

In a message dated 4/26/2010 11:31:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

naturaldoc1 writes:

Basically, we need to become more educated on how to be professionals and

the ways that things need to be accomplished

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April 26, 2010

R,

So, in essence, you did benefit from this. This is not simply about marketing

but also about who

we are. We are doctors, IMO, and not technicians.

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

Chinese Medicine

acudoc11

Mon, 26 Apr 2010 14:17:49 -0400

Re: Re: Degrees

M

The interesting thing IMO is that if I wasn't able to help them they

wouldn't care what I called myself and they might be calling me quack.....BUT

since a very high percentage are helped they give respect for ability to

function.

I never advertised and never plan to. Don't need to. Plenty of referrals

even without asking for referrals.

As to the ability to use doctor or physician......a long 11 year battle.

Richard A Freiberg OMD DAc AP LAc

In a message dated 4/26/2010 2:00:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

naturaldoc1 writes:

R,

It sounds like you benefit from this doctor legislation in your state.

Perceptions are so different from state to state and profession to

profession. Appearance and actions are important to professions, as that is

how

others determine who we are. I am glad that in your state, you are able to use

doctor or physician as I think it elevates patient's thinking of who we

are.

I have a doctorate and would prefer patient's use my first name but many

respectfully use my last name. Most of my patients are Asian.

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

Chinese Medicine

acudoc11

Mon, 26 Apr 2010 13:31:43 -0400

Re: TCM - Re: Degrees

Michael

All of my patients ask me what to call me on first visit..........and I

tell them to call me.....Richard.

Although I use all the initials after my name.....I do not call myself

DOCTOR yet ALL of my patients call me DOCTOR.

I call myself an Oriental Medical Practitioner.

Maybe its because of our scope in Florida in that we DIAGNOSE & TREAT

ILLNESS & INJURY.

I'll repeat.....what else might that be if not a doctor?

Richard

In a message dated 4/26/2010 1:28:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

naturaldoc1 writes:

Richard,

I was not discussing this but post graduation and the concept of being a

professional. I know this is an individual issue but I have noticed my

share of concerns in this area. We should be polling, for our own sake,

what

patients consider us to be and if we are OK with that. We might be

really

shocked to know how they see us.

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

Chinese Medicine

acudoc11

Mon, 26 Apr 2010 13:10:24 -0400

Re: TCM - Re: Degrees

And whose ways might be those?

Specifically those who make money from the trade-school-cottage industry?

I think not.

Richard

In a message dated 4/26/2010 11:31:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

naturaldoc1 writes:

Basically, we need to become more educated on how to be professionals

and

the ways that things need to be accomplished

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April 26, 2010

Most MD's get employed. They do not start their own practices unless you are

lumping group practice into this. Small practices are becoming a thing of the

past in MD world as they cannot make it financially.

Other then a paper route, when I was much younger, I did not have my own

business prior to attending TCM school. My father was an entrepreneur, a

dentist, and so I saw a lot of what it was like firsthand to be a small health

care business owner.

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

Chinese Medicine

magisterium_magnum

Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:57:31 -0700

Re: Re: Degrees

Here's a little secret. Even Western MDs, when they are starting up a new

practice, have to keep working a " night job " for the first year, until they

get things going. Ask around. You might be surprised.

This is not uncommon. Most small businesspeople I know covertly

sleep/shower and generally live at their place of business at one time or

another. Has anyone else had their own small business?

-

" mike Bowser " <naturaldoc1

Monday, April 26, 2010 9:10 AM

RE: Re: Degrees

>

> Kim,

>

> The only way a new graduate can stay afloat is to either rely upon their

> educational training, which includes all those hours of practice mgmt, or

> to find employment (or other job while they are starting their practice).

> We have few options and if the business side of things is not addressed

> well enough, it matters little how much OM training you get. If you did

> get a student loan, you can defer for some time as well. It some point in

> time, the lack of business knowledge needs to be addressed.

>

> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

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April 26, 2010

Mike -

Of course practice management training needs addressing. My only point is

that it's much easier to get a business started and keep it afloat if you

have less debt dragging you down.

Kim

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:10 AM, mike Bowser <naturaldoc1wrote:

>

> Kim,

>

> The only way a new graduate can stay afloat is to either rely upon their

> educational training, which includes all those hours of practice mgmt, or to

> find employment (or other job while they are starting their practice). We

> have few options and if the business side of things is not addressed well

> enough, it matters little how much OM training you get. If you did get a

> student loan, you can defer for some time as well. It some point in time,

> the lack of business knowledge needs to be addressed.

>

> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

>

> .

>

April 26, 2010

It is nice to be appreciated and the title doctor is a respectful way that

patient's do this. Hence, their request to know how to address you. Nice to be

able to benefit from the prefix doctor.

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

Chinese Medicine

magisterium_magnum

Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:51:17 -0700

Re: Re: Degrees

" Master " of your Domain?

-

<acudoc11

Monday, April 26, 2010 10:31 AM

Re: Re: Degrees

> Michael

>

> All of my patients ask me what to call me on first visit..........and I

> tell them to call me.....Richard.

> Although I use all the initials after my name.....I do not call myself

> DOCTOR yet ALL of my patients call me DOCTOR.

> I call myself an Oriental Medical Practitioner.

> Maybe its because of our scope in Florida in that we DIAGNOSE & TREAT

> ILLNESS & INJURY.

> I'll repeat.....what else might that be if not a doctor?

>

> Richard

>

> In a message dated 4/26/2010 1:28:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> naturaldoc1 writes:

>

> Richard,

>

> I was not discussing this but post graduation and the concept of being a

> professional. I know this is an individual issue but I have noticed my

> share of concerns in this area. We should be polling, for our own sake,

> what

> patients consider us to be and if we are OK with that. We might be

> really

> shocked to know how they see us.

>

> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

>

> Chinese Medicine

> acudoc11

> Mon, 26 Apr 2010 13:10:24 -0400

> Re: TCM - Re: Degrees

>

> And whose ways might be those?

>

> Specifically those who make money from the trade-school-cottage

> industry?

>

> I think not.

>

> Richard

>

> In a message dated 4/26/2010 11:31:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

>

> naturaldoc1 writes:

>

> Basically, we need to become more educated on how to be professionals

> and

>

> the ways that things need to be accomplished

>

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April 26, 2010

Kim,

That is not really an issue initially with deferments and the low interest rates

of these loans. If a graduate is working in a fast food restaurant, then they

cannot afford to make payments on either amount and still afford to live.

Practice mgmt is the number one issue and allows one to catch fish. This gets

to the issue of fishing for someone or teaching them to fish. Not sure why our

profession wants to remain in the dark and not learn how to do things better.

We continue to remain split on what our education should entail and therefore,

we have created many subsets of professions based upon merely techniques and

little sense of making a living doing this.

So, what would you recommend telling a student to do to ease their transition

into practice?

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

Chinese Medicine

kuangguiyu

Mon, 26 Apr 2010 11:45:10 -0700

Re: Re: Degrees

Mike -

Of course practice management training needs addressing. My only point is

that it's much easier to get a business started and keep it afloat if you

have less debt dragging you down.

Kim

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:10 AM, mike Bowser <naturaldoc1wrote:

>

> Kim,

>

> The only way a new graduate can stay afloat is to either rely upon their

> educational training, which includes all those hours of practice mgmt, or to

> find employment (or other job while they are starting their practice). We

> have few options and if the business side of things is not addressed well

> enough, it matters little how much OM training you get. If you did get a

> student loan, you can defer for some time as well. It some point in time,

> the lack of business knowledge needs to be addressed.

>

> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

>

> .

>

April 26, 2010

I guess you missed my point in the e-mail.

I do NOT use the title Doctor or Physician even though I fought for the

profession's use of subject titles here in Florida.

I use ORIENTAL MEDICAL: PRACTITIONER as my title.

And I patients sign my full disclosure telling them I am NOT an MD just so

there is no confusion.

Richard

In a message dated 4/26/2010 5:09:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

naturaldoc1 writes:

From the doctor title and how it does affect your patient's image you. It

might not matter to some practitioners. Patient's do tend to trust

designations and titles otherwise people would not be so willing to use them

nor

would the AMA try to eliminate all CAM providers from usage as well.

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

Chinese Medicine

acudoc11

Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:01:55 -0400

Re: TCM - Re: Degrees

M

Benefit from this?

What THIS might you be referring to?

Richard A Freiberg OMD DAc AP LAc

In a message dated 4/26/2010 2:33:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

naturaldoc1 writes:

R,

So, in essence, you did benefit from this. This is not simply about

marketing but also about who

we are. We are doctors, IMO, and not technicians.

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

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" Master " of your Domain?

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<acudoc11

Monday, April 26, 2010 10:31 AM

Re: Re: Degrees

> Michael

>

> All of my patients ask me what to call me on first visit..........and I

> tell them to call me.....Richard.

> Although I use all the initials after my name.....I do not call myself

> DOCTOR yet ALL of my patients call me DOCTOR.

> I call myself an Oriental Medical Practitioner.

> Maybe its because of our scope in Florida in that we DIAGNOSE & TREAT

> ILLNESS & INJURY.

> I'll repeat.....what else might that be if not a doctor?

>

> Richard

>

> In a message dated 4/26/2010 1:28:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> naturaldoc1 writes:

>

> Richard,

>

> I was not discussing this but post graduation and the concept of being a

> professional. I know this is an individual issue but I have noticed my

> share of concerns in this area. We should be polling, for our own sake,

> what

> patients consider us to be and if we are OK with that. We might be

> really

> shocked to know how they see us.

>

> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

>

> Chinese Medicine

> acudoc11

> Mon, 26 Apr 2010 13:10:24 -0400

> Re: TCM - Re: Degrees

>

And whose ways might be those?

>

> Specifically those who make money from the trade-school-cottage

> industry?

>

> I think not.

>

> Richard

>

In a message dated 4/26/2010 11:31:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

>

> naturaldoc1 writes:

>

> Basically, we need to become more educated on how to be professionals

> and

>

> the ways that things need to be accomplished

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

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April 26, 2010

My good sir. It already seems like it's hard for you to take me seriously.

Because you don't want to tell it like it is. The biggest resistance is

coming from those who already have the DAOM 10 year doctorate. I'm just

trying to keep some levity while making the point. Guess I did that.

But thanks for another ad hominem.

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" Joe Messey " <joe.messey

Monday, April 26, 2010 7:09 AM

Re: Re: Degrees

> Mercurius Trismegistus

> Is that a fair assesment?

>

> Joe sez:

> tsk, tsk, tsk

> when someone goes overboard like this, it is hard to take them seriously.

> You are pushing legitimate criticisms to a ridiculous extreme.

> This has only reinforced my perception of you as being very immature.

>

> Your debate style lacks critical thinking and, so, there is no point

>

> A famous quote from martial arts training applies:

> " After 2 years many think they know alot...

> after 20 years those who are sincere realize they still know very little "

>

> Clearly the first part applies to you.

> hopefully, with maturity you will arrive at the second part, some day

>

April 26, 2010

Here's a little secret. Even Western MDs, when they are starting up a new

practice, have to keep working a " night job " for the first year, until they

get things going. Ask around. You might be surprised.

This is not uncommon. Most small businesspeople I know covertly

sleep/shower and generally live at their place of business at one time or

another. Has anyone else had their own small business?

-

" mike Bowser " <naturaldoc1

Monday, April 26, 2010 9:10 AM

RE: Re: Degrees

>

> Kim,

>

> The only way a new graduate can stay afloat is to either rely upon their

> educational training, which includes all those hours of practice mgmt, or

> to find employment (or other job while they are starting their practice).

> We have few options and if the business side of things is not addressed

> well enough, it matters little how much OM training you get. If you did

> get a student loan, you can defer for some time as well. It some point in

> time, the lack of business knowledge needs to be addressed.

>

> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

April 26, 2010

Thanks, man! Fortuitously, I've actually sort of done this! My buddy has

had his own TCM clinic for about 15 years, but he did mainly herbs and

Anmo-Daiyin QiGong therapy. He's gone back to school and is adding

acupuncture to his licensure, so we're going to school together. I learn

ALOT from him. What you say is true.

And thanks again for the POSITIVE feedback. LOL.

-

" Yuk Ming " <sxm2649

Monday, April 26, 2010 3:55 AM

Re: Degrees

> Mr Trismegistus,

>

> Though i am from other pond, I personally know some serious L Ac with good

> first bachelor degree, no in TCM of course and very devoted to perfect

> their practice in states. A mature tcm graduate like you have edges. You

> are more mature and know better about social manners around patients.

>

> My advice for you, if you don't mind, is to find a mentor and really pick

> up clinical efficacy. That gurantees patients. An advanced degree cannot,

> particularly in our profession. Just put ourselves in the shoes of

> patients. At the end of the day, What patients really care are their

> problems being solved.

>

> DC, MDs practicing acupuncture are also common in other countries (not in

> China). I had met patients who complained about they were fooled and

> realized what acu is all about, after my treatment. If we are good at

> doing what we do, no other professions can steal our patients. Of coz

> educating them is necessary.

>

> You are still not aged, I guess. Pick one specialty and include herbal

> treatment. Being licensed is just the beginning, not the ending of

> learning.

>

> Of course there are issues about schools management, curriculum,

> textbooks, lectures quality, etc. Wish you good luck.

>

> Sung, Yuk-ming

>

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From the doctor title and how it does affect your patient's image you. It might

not matter to some practitioners. Patient's do tend to trust designations and

titles otherwise people would not be so willing to use them nor would the AMA

try to eliminate all CAM providers from usage as well.

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

Chinese Medicine

acudoc11

Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:01:55 -0400

Re: Re: Degrees

M

Benefit from this?

What THIS might you be referring to?

Richard A Freiberg OMD DAc AP LAc

In a message dated 4/26/2010 2:33:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

naturaldoc1 writes:

R,

So, in essence, you did benefit from this. This is not simply about

marketing but also about who

we are. We are doctors, IMO, and not technicians.

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

April 27, 2010

> Some may want to remain as sole practitioners but not if they understood

> their liabilities and lack of legal protections.

Could you expand on this? What liabilities do we have that aren't covered by

insurance, and where do we lack legal protection?

Thanks.

JP

April 27, 2010

JP,

A sole proprietor has much less legal protection then, say a corp. A lawsuit,

for example, that rules against you can jeopardize your personal assets (home,

car, bank account to name a few). You might want to discuss this with an

attorney to get a better idea of what a corp brings in your unique situation.

What I have noticed is that CA has legislation allows us to participate in

ownership of a professional corp, whereas, in many states this does not exist.

They also allow us to own a mixed professional corp with other health care

professionals.

Insurance does not protect you from blatant criminal activity. For example, if

you deliberately perform something you know is illegal, your malpractice

insurance company will not represent you for this. That is why having herbs in

scope of practice is huge in some states.

This opens up a rather large can of worms.

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

Chinese Medicine

kurvenal

Mon, 26 Apr 2010 22:12:12 -0500

Re: Degrees

> Some may want to remain as sole practitioners but not if they

understood

> their liabilities and lack of legal protections.

Could you expand on this? What liabilities do we have that aren't covered by

insurance, and where do we lack legal protection?

Thanks.

JP

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April 27, 2010

R,

It does not matter if you use it but that you are benefiting from it and so its

the profession in FL, as is evident from our comment about your patients asking

how to address you. As we have lost our identity, to a technique, we now need

to look at becoming a multi-faceted professional that offers ALL that OM has to

offer. That is why I am concerned with the singular technique programs that

focus upon acupuncture and negate herbs, diet, etc. If we continue to take our

profession apart, then we are limiting ourselves. Education in some states only

recognizes acupuncture and therefore, we are technicians. We need to change

that and that is one thing that a FPD will help with. We have many things that

we need to work on and I think we can multi-task.

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

Chinese Medicine

acudoc11

Mon, 26 Apr 2010 19:39:11 -0400

Re: Re: Degrees

I guess you missed my point in the e-mail.

I do NOT use the title Doctor or Physician even though I fought for the

profession's use of subject titles here in Florida.

I use ORIENTAL MEDICAL: PRACTITIONER as my title.

And I patients sign my full disclosure telling them I am NOT an MD just so

there is no confusion.

Richard

In a message dated 4/26/2010 5:09:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

naturaldoc1 writes:

From the doctor title and how it does affect your patient's image you. It

might not matter to some practitioners. Patient's do tend to trust

designations and titles otherwise people would not be so willing to use them

nor

would the AMA try to eliminate all CAM providers from usage as well.

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

Chinese Medicine

acudoc11

Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:01:55 -0400

Re: TCM - Re: Degrees

M

Benefit from this?

What THIS might you be referring to?

Richard A Freiberg OMD DAc AP LAc

In a message dated 4/26/2010 2:33:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

naturaldoc1 writes:

R,

So, in essence, you did benefit from this. This is not simply about

marketing but also about who

we are. We are doctors, IMO, and not technicians.

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

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April 27, 2010

I have to agree with Dr. Bowser. No other profession allows only pieces or

modalities to be learned and licensed. For instance, an MD must learn his whole

medicine in order to be a surgeon. You can't just get certified in surgery.

Our medicine is a whole and it is best practiced that way. If, after

graduation, one wants to specialize in one aspect, that's fine. But we need to

learn the entire system.

Sincerely,

Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac.

> Chinese Traditional Medicine

> naturaldoc1

> Tue, 27 Apr 2010 15:32:55 +0000

> RE: Re: Degrees

>

> R,

>

> It does not matter if you use it but that you are benefiting from it and so

its the profession in FL, as is evident from our comment about your patients

asking how to address you. As we have lost our identity, to a technique, we now

need to look at becoming a multi-faceted professional that offers ALL that OM

has to offer. That is why I am concerned with the singular technique programs

that focus upon acupuncture and negate herbs, diet, etc. If we continue to take

our profession apart, then we are limiting ourselves. Education in some states

only recognizes acupuncture and therefore, we are technicians. We need to change

that and that is one thing that a FPD will help with. We have many things that

we need to work on and I think we can multi-task.

>

> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

>

> Chinese Medicine

> acudoc11

> Mon, 26 Apr 2010 19:39:11 -0400

> Re: Re: Degrees

>

I guess you missed my point in the e-mail.

>

> I do NOT use the title Doctor or Physician even though I fought for the

>

> profession's use of subject titles here in Florida.

>

> I use ORIENTAL MEDICAL: PRACTITIONER as my title.

>

> And I patients sign my full disclosure telling them I am NOT an MD just so

>

> there is no confusion.

>

> Richard

>

In a message dated 4/26/2010 5:09:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

>

> naturaldoc1 writes:

>

> From the doctor title and how it does affect your patient's image you. It

>

> might not matter to some practitioners. Patient's do tend to trust

>

> designations and titles otherwise people would not be so willing to use them

nor

>

> would the AMA try to eliminate all CAM providers from usage as well.

>

> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

>

> Chinese Medicine

>

> acudoc11

>

> Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:01:55 -0400

>

> Re: Re: Degrees

>

> M

>

> Benefit from this?

>

> What THIS might you be referring to?

>

> Richard A Freiberg OMD DAc AP LAc

>

> In a message dated 4/26/2010 2:33:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

>

> naturaldoc1 writes:

>

> R,

>

> So, in essence, you did benefit from this. This is not simply about

>

> marketing but also about who

>

> we are. We are doctors, IMO, and not technicians.

>

> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

>

April 27, 2010

Agreed. So who is going to tell the lesser programs they need to change?

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

Chinese Traditional Medicine

don83407

Tue, 27 Apr 2010 11:05:19 -0500