fellowship at Beth Israel

[Guest guest]

Kay

 

In the Florida hospitals it is only ancillary acupuncture if the patient

demands such treatment and then limited to needles and certainly not to

herbs or other forms of TuiNa.

 

In this way it becomes lip service to show to the demanding patients that

there isn't much of great value to AOM.

 

If the hospitals were really serious these program would be funded, the

treatments NOT limited to just acupuncture and the intern would get some sort

of funding.

 

Then again the hospital corporations want everyone to work for nothing.

 

Richard

 

 

In a message dated 4/26/2010 6:09:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

spy9doc writes:

 

 

 

 

 

<<Don't be totally fooled by this. What I have seen in Florida hospitals

has all been lip service with

great

limitations.>>

 

You are absolutely right, Richard. We've been hospitals for a long time,

but very few of the hospitals will actually fund us.

I spent nearly a year in 2006 working at Hartford Hospital in their

Integrative Medicine Department (for free) as part of a clinical internship.

Although a delightful experience, I've done my time " for free " . The hospital

did NOT fund the program and the Integrative Medicine department eventually

folded because it could not be self-sustaining.

 

In response to another poster, absolutely one needs to further the basic

acupuncture education and I too have spent hundreds of dollars to study with

recognized experts in their area of expertise. And, I emphasize

" recognized experts " . There is a vast difference between studying with a

scholar or

working for free with self-aggrandizing entrepreneurs. There is a saying in

the chiropractic profession that " chiropractors eat their young " . No

surprise that the acupuncture community is much the same.

 

Kay King, DC, MS, LAc

 

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[Guest guest]

<<Don't be totally fooled by this. What I have seen in Florida hospitals has all

been lip service with

great

limitations.>>

 

You are absolutely right, Richard. We've been hospitals for a long time, but

very few of the hospitals will actually fund us.

I spent nearly a year in 2006 working at Hartford Hospital in their Integrative

Medicine Department (for free) as part of a clinical internship. Although a

delightful experience, I've done my time " for free " . The hospital did NOT fund

the program and the Integrative Medicine department eventually folded because it

could not be self-sustaining.

 

In response to another poster, absolutely one needs to further the basic

acupuncture education and I too have spent hundreds of dollars to study with

recognized experts in their area of expertise. And, I emphasize " recognized

experts " . There is a vast difference between studying with a scholar or working

for free with self-aggrandizing entrepreneurs. There is a saying in the

chiropractic profession that " chiropractors eat their young " . No surprise that

the acupuncture community is much the same.

 

Kay King, DC, MS, LAc

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Kay wrote: " There is a vast difference between studying with a scholar or

working for free with self-aggrandizing entrepreneurs. "

 

Just curious Kay, are you referring specifically to your experience at

Harford Hospital or to the St. Vincent's internship in NYC, which you first

referred to?

 

RoseAnne

 

 

 

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:48 PM, spy9doc <spy9doc wrote:

 

>

>

> <<Don't be totally fooled by this. What I have seen in Florida hospitals

> has all been lip service with

> great

> limitations.>>

>

> You are absolutely right, Richard. We've been hospitals for a long time,

> but very few of the hospitals will actually fund us.

> I spent nearly a year in 2006 working at Hartford Hospital in their

> Integrative Medicine Department (for free) as part of a clinical internship.

> Although a delightful experience, I've done my time " for free " . The hospital

> did NOT fund the program and the Integrative Medicine department eventually

> folded because it could not be self-sustaining.

>

> In response to another poster, absolutely one needs to further the basic

> acupuncture education and I too have spent hundreds of dollars to study with

> recognized experts in their area of expertise. And, I emphasize " recognized

> experts " . There is a vast difference between studying with a scholar or

> working for free with self-aggrandizing entrepreneurs. There is a saying in

> the chiropractic profession that " chiropractors eat their young " . No

> surprise that the acupuncture community is much the same.

>

> Kay King, DC, MS, LAc

>

>

[Guest guest]

RoseAnne...........I don't think it benefits anyone to make any further

comments. If you have specific questions, you are welcome to email me privately.

You will note that I say that my time at Hartford Hospital was a " delightful

experience " , so no, I wasn't referring to them.

 

 

[Guest guest]

I know of about a half dozen LAc's that work in one hospital and about the same

number that work in another metro area hospital and these are funded at least

for the moment. I am aware of a couple of paid residencies at one AOM program

and another paid residency advertised in a private clinic. Dr. Eisenberg

presented his recent health care working clinic, and in it, there were paid

LAc's working quite well with others. Who says we cannot play well with others?

I think it is sad that a hospital wants you to pay them to work in a limited

capacity as it shows that they are all about the money and do not understand how

to pull it off financially. Silly on our part.

 

Consider that one DOAM program already has hospital privileges as part of the

internship and you get a doctorate to boot.

 

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

spy9doc

Mon, 26 Apr 2010 13:48:41 -0700

Re: fellowship at Beth Israel

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

<<Don't be totally fooled by this. What I have seen in Florida hospitals

has all been lip service with

 

great

 

limitations.>>

 

 

 

You are absolutely right, Richard. We've been hospitals for a long time, but

very few of the hospitals will actually fund us.

 

I spent nearly a year in 2006 working at Hartford Hospital in their Integrative

Medicine Department (for free) as part of a clinical internship. Although a

delightful experience, I've done my time " for free " . The hospital did NOT fund

the program and the Integrative Medicine department eventually folded because it

could not be self-sustaining.

 

 

 

In response to another poster, absolutely one needs to further the basic

acupuncture education and I too have spent hundreds of dollars to study with

recognized experts in their area of expertise. And, I emphasize " recognized

experts " . There is a vast difference between studying with a scholar or working

for free with self-aggrandizing entrepreneurs. There is a saying in the

chiropractic profession that " chiropractors eat their young " . No surprise that

the acupuncture community is much the same.

 

 

 

Kay King, DC, MS, LAc