Advantages of Renewing Diplomate status

[Guest guest]

Michael

 

That's just the money-grubbing aspect of the cottage-industry.

No different than the schools.

Too much money-grubbing.

Even the Clean Needle Test is the same.

WHY the need for separate testing when ALL of the schools are more than

qualified?

That answer is obviously the same.

 

Richard

 

 

 

In a message dated 4/28/2010 12:49:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

acudoc11 writes:

 

that for license renewal we require a continued

payment to the testing agency.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

M

 

That's just your opinion.

Other than entry level test and being fooled into the first renewal......

I have absolutely NOTHING to do with that organization. So for me I OPT OUT

of anything to do with them.

 

Richard Freiberg OMD DAc AP LAc

 

 

In a message dated 4/28/2010 12:54:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

naturaldoc1 writes:

 

 

R,

 

I meant no offense but, in all actuality, the we means all of us in this

profession. Until you decide to leave us, you are part of the we. There is

no opt out clause in this, sorry.

 

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

M

 

It should be obvious that what I am saying is specific to the aspect of

renewing or not renewing and to that I OPT OUT regardless of what you'all

decide to do.

 

Richard A Freiberg OMD DAc AP LAc

 

 

 

In a message dated 4/28/2010 1:01:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

naturaldoc1 writes:

 

R,

 

What I am referring to is the profession. You can not opt out of the

profession until you retire.

That includes having them operate in this aspect of our profession.

 

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Barbara

 

Do you mind informing as to why you keep paying to renew...... unless you

in one of those states where your are forced to renew?

 

Richard

 

 

In a message dated 4/28/2010 4:22:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

ibpokin writes:

 

I have had the Diplomate Status for 13 years and have never listed it on

anything; not my " title " , no posting on a wall, not on my business card,

nothing. There's a point at which too many letters behind your name begins

to look a bit pretentious and the public has no idea what it means.

 

barbara

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

R,

 

What I am referring to is the profession. You can not opt out of the profession

until you retire.

That includes having them operate in this aspect of our profession.

 

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

acudoc11

Wed, 28 Apr 2010 12:57:58 -0400

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M

 

 

 

That's just your opinion.

 

Other than entry level test and being fooled into the first renewal......

 

I have absolutely NOTHING to do with that organization. So for me I OPT OUT

 

of anything to do with them.

 

 

 

Richard Freiberg OMD DAc AP LAc

 

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 4/28/2010 12:54:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

 

naturaldoc1 writes:

 

 

 

R,

 

 

 

I meant no offense but, in all actuality, the we means all of us in this

 

profession. Until you decide to leave us, you are part of the we. There is

 

no opt out clause in this, sorry.

 

 

 

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I have had the Diplomate Status for 13 years and have never listed it on

anything; not my " title " , no posting on a wall, not on my business card,

nothing.   There's a point at which too many letters behind your name begins to

look a bit pretentious and the public has no idea what it means.

 

barbara

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

So true.

 

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

 

 

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

ibpokin

Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:52:15 -0700

Re: Advantages of Renewing Diplomate Status

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have had the Diplomate Status for 13 years and have never listed it on

anything; not my " title " , no posting on a wall, not on my business card,

nothing. There's a point at which too many letters behind your name begins to

look a bit pretentious and the public has no idea what it means.

 

 

 

barbara

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I am a preferred provider for a couple of networks who require it.   Also, I

am of the belief that I should try to keep what I have earned because " you just

never know " where you might end up, and that place may require it.   Neither

state in which I hold licenses requires and continuing education, but NCCAOM

does and I appreciate that and like the accountability.

 

Here are my letters for fun  :-)

 

Barbara Beale, MS MAcOM Dipl. Ac ATC LAc LLC    (LOL!!) 

 

(Note: As of 2008, I am no longer an ATC but just thought it would be fun to

throw it in there for the sake of posterity).

 

 

 

 

________________________________

" acudoc11 " <acudoc11

Chinese Medicine

Wed, April 28, 2010 1:24:19 PM

Re: Advantages of Renewing Diplomate Status

 

 

Barbara

 

Do you mind informing as to why you keep paying to renew...... unless you

in one of those states where your are forced to renew?

 

Richard

 

 

In a message dated 4/28/2010 4:22:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

ibpokin writes:

 

I have had the Diplomate Status for 13 years and have never listed it on

anything; not my " title " , no posting on a wall, not on my business card,

nothing. There's a point at which too many letters behind your name begins

to look a bit pretentious and the public has no idea what it means.

 

barbara

 

 

[Guest guest]

I am due to renew next month. I do like the accountability of the CE

requirements since the state doesn't have any. I'm not doing insurance billing

now, but I also know that diplomate status is requisite for this. Besides, what

if NCCAOM certification b/c mandatory for the state?

 

I most always put the initials after my name. When folks ask about it, I clarify

the difference b/w licensure and board certification. Other professionals,

including MD's, DC's, etc, have letters after their name that may not already be

familiar to patients, but they do understand they still have meaning.

 

As I see it, the difference b/w having or not having NCCAOM board certification

is like being an anesthesiologist w/ or w/o board certification. You can

practice either way, but you'll be more limited in scope and employment w/o b/c

again, there's the accountability factor w/ board certification.

 

 

Lynn

 

 

Chinese Medicine , Barbara Beale <ibpokin

wrote:

>

> I am a preferred provider for a couple of networks who require it.   Also, I

am of the belief that I should try to keep what I have earned because " you just

never know " where you might end up, and that place may require it. Neither

state in which I hold licenses requires and continuing education, but NCCAOM

does and I appreciate that and like the accountability.

>

> Here are my letters for fu  :-)

>

> Barbara Beale, MS MAcOM Dipl. Ac ATC LAc LLC  (LOL!!)

[Guest guest]

Understood.

Do you think its appropriate to continue to HAVE to pay for something you

already earned....year after year?

And it doesn't appear to be a minimal maintenance fee.

 

Richard

 

 

In a message dated 4/28/2010 5:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

ibpokin writes:

 

I am a preferred provider for a couple of networks who require it. Also,

I am of the belief that I should try to keep what I have earned because

" you just never know " where you might end up, and that place may require it.

Neither state in which I hold licenses requires and continuing

education, but NCCAOM does and I appreciate that and like the accountability.

 

Here are my letters for fun :-)

 

Barbara Beale, MS MAcOM Dipl. Ac ATC LAc LLC (LOL!!)

 

(Note: As of 2008, I am no longer an ATC but just thought it would be fun

to throw it in there for the sake of posterity).

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Michael

 

So right on target.

Certainly the MDs as seen with the ABMS (American Board of Medical

Specialities) REQUIRES that one go BACK to school (usually for 3 yrs) before

taking a REAL Board Certification Test.

 

Not some joke which doubles as an entrance exam.

 

And the ABMS ais NOT the same organization that gives the USMLE exams.

 

Albatross? I would call it something much worse.

 

This is another reason WHY our profession is laughed at.

The other is the over-bloated regionally-unrecognized 10 year Masters which

is really thye regionally-unrecognized equivalent of a triple PhD. (Yeah I

know most regionally unrecognized Masters are only 4 yrs done in 3 yrs.).

 

And Michael please don;t blame it on the profession.

It is THOSE so-called National Orgs along with the money-grubbing schools

who have created this.

Not the students and not the licensed.

 

Richard A Freiberg OMD DAc AP LAc

 

 

 

In a message dated 4/29/2010 10:33:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

naturaldoc1 writes:

 

 

The continual forced membership, by my state medical board, is what

concerns me. It is a mixing of state regulations with corporate profiteering.

I know that other health care professions do it much differently and I

think, personally, our profession has created another albatross.

 

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

No, I suppose.   But then again, when I look at the time and expense required

to get it again if I find myself in a position of needing it, I'd much rather

pay the fee.  I have carried an Oregon license for 13 years and have never

practiced in Oregon and never thought I would, but I live in a border town and

just might end up there some day.  (Oregon licenses, by the way, are $140 per

year regardless of whether you are " active " or " inactive).   As it turns out,

I will be moving there next month (surprise, surprise).  I'm not moving my

practice from Washington, but as I near retirement, you never know.   I might

want to practice part-time at the Oregon coast.  And I would NEVER want to have

to do what is required by their Board of Medical Examiners to get re-instated. 

What a nightmare that would be. 

 

So, I guess I look at it like it's an " insurance policy " .

 

 

 

 

________________________________

" acudoc11 " <acudoc11

Chinese Medicine

Thu, April 29, 2010 7:06:43 AM

Re: Advantages of Renewing Diplomate Status

 

 

Understood.

Do you think its appropriate to continue to HAVE to pay for something you

already earned....year after year?

And it doesn't appear to be a minimal maintenance fee.

 

Richard

 

 

In a message dated 4/28/2010 5:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

ibpokin writes:

 

I am a preferred provider for a couple of networks who require it. Also,

I am of the belief that I should try to keep what I have earned because

" you just never know " where you might end up, and that place may require it.

Neither state in which I hold licenses requires and continuing

education, but NCCAOM does and I appreciate that and like the accountability.

 

Here are my letters for fun :-)

 

Barbara Beale, MS MAcOM Dipl. Ac ATC LAc LLC (LOL!!)

 

(Note: As of 2008, I am no longer an ATC but just thought it would be fun

to throw it in there for the sake of posterity).

 

 

[Guest guest]

The continual forced membership, by my state medical board, is what concerns me.

It is a mixing of state regulations with corporate profiteering. I know that

other health care professions do it much differently and I think, personally,

our profession has created another albatross.

 

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

acudoc11

Thu, 29 Apr 2010 10:06:43 -0400

Re: Advantages of Renewing Diplomate Status

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Understood.

 

Do you think its appropriate to continue to HAVE to pay for something you

 

already earned....year after year?

 

And it doesn't appear to be a minimal maintenance fee.

 

 

 

Richard

 

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 4/28/2010 5:54:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

 

ibpokin writes:

 

 

 

I am a preferred provider for a couple of networks who require it. Also,

 

I am of the belief that I should try to keep what I have earned because

 

" you just never know " where you might end up, and that place may require it.

 

Neither state in which I hold licenses requires and continuing

 

education, but NCCAOM does and I appreciate that and like the accountability.

 

 

 

Here are my letters for fun :-)

 

 

 

Barbara Beale, MS MAcOM Dipl. Ac ATC LAc LLC (LOL!!)

 

 

 

(Note: As of 2008, I am no longer an ATC but just thought it would be fun

 

to throw it in there for the sake of posterity).

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

R,

 

You are misinformed. In each and every state that we have acupuncture laws, it

is due to practitioners in that state as well as state acupuncture associations

and occasionally a lawsuit that led to the creation of our laws. We need to

take responsibility for this, so then we can fix it. The national organizations

due not write the laws, which is why we have such differing standards between

states. If it was up to the nationals, it would be the same from state to

state. The practitioners and state associations decide which standards to use

and changes that need to occur.

 

I met the woman, in my state, that really spear-headed the idea of licensing,

prior to her passing. She was a pioneer (founded a school and active with

legislation) and yet she was but one voice on this issue. In the end, she told

me that in order to get the legislation passed they need to be willing to make

unpleasant concessions to ensure smooth passage. Initially, we were to go under

the medical board, but right before final vote, the medical board was looking to

opt out. Of course, the chiro board was interested in having LAc's underneath,

so they offered to have us. This was an obvious conflict of interest issue, as

we also have a chiro college locally that is involved with sponsoring a lobbyist

and believes that in reduced education for DC's. The state is so tied up with

politics and no one wants to do what is right for the public. This issue has

gone way beyond doing the right thing anymore and is about a power struggle.

The best that the profession can do is hope to get something in exchange. The

other side has not yet realized that they do not need to even compromise. What

we need is our own state regulatory agency. This is also why we have no say to

even govern ourselves. Talk about adolescent and humiliating.

 

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

acudoc11

Thu, 29 Apr 2010 10:45:39 -0400

Re: Advantages of Renewing Diplomate Status

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Michael

 

 

 

So right on target.

 

Certainly the MDs as seen with the ABMS (American Board of Medical

 

Specialities) REQUIRES that one go BACK to school (usually for 3 yrs) before

 

taking a REAL Board Certification Test.

 

 

 

Not some joke which doubles as an entrance exam.

 

 

 

And the ABMS ais NOT the same organization that gives the USMLE exams.

 

 

 

Albatross? I would call it something much worse.

 

 

 

This is another reason WHY our profession is laughed at.

 

The other is the over-bloated regionally-unrecognized 10 year Masters which

 

is really thye regionally-unrecognized equivalent of a triple PhD. (Yeah I

 

know most regionally unrecognized Masters are only 4 yrs done in 3 yrs.).

 

 

 

And Michael please don;t blame it on the profession.

 

It is THOSE so-called National Orgs along with the money-grubbing schools

 

who have created this.

 

Not the students and not the licensed.

 

 

 

Richard A Freiberg OMD DAc AP LAc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 4/29/2010 10:33:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

 

naturaldoc1 writes:

 

 

 

The continual forced membership, by my state medical board, is what

 

concerns me. It is a mixing of state regulations with corporate profiteering.

 

I know that other health care professions do it much differently and I

 

think, personally, our profession has created another albatross.

 

 

 

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

This is a great point. Once you get a license or credential, you never know if

you might need it later. I would keep it. I might never get back to CA but

just in case, I will keep my license there.

 

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

ibpokin

Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:49:53 -0700

Re: Advantages of Renewing Diplomate Status

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am a preferred provider for a couple of networks who require it. Also,

I am of the belief that I should try to keep what I have earned because " you

just never know " where you might end up, and that place may require it.

Neither state in which I hold licenses requires and continuing education, but

NCCAOM does and I appreciate that and like the accountability.

 

 

 

Here are my letters for fun :-)

 

 

 

Barbara Beale, MS MAcOM Dipl. Ac ATC LAc LLC (LOL!!)

 

 

 

(Note: As of 2008, I am no longer an ATC but just thought it would be fun to

throw it in there for the sake of posterity).

 

 

 

________________________________

 

" acudoc11 " <acudoc11

 

Chinese Medicine

 

Wed, April 28, 2010 1:24:19 PM

 

Re: Advantages of Renewing Diplomate Status

 

 

 

 

 

Barbara

 

 

 

Do you mind informing as to why you keep paying to renew...... unless you

 

in one of those states where your are forced to renew?

 

 

 

Richard

 

 

 

In a message dated 4/28/2010 4:22:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

 

ibpokin writes:

 

 

 

I have had the Diplomate Status for 13 years and have never listed it on

 

anything; not my " title " , no posting on a wall, not on my business card,

 

nothing. There's a point at which too many letters behind your name begins

 

to look a bit pretentious and the public has no idea what it means.

 

 

 

barbara