Regeneration of hip joint cartilage

[Guest guest]

Don,

 

Can you explain your AOM treatment a bit more. 1) Do you needle ashi, trigger,

motor points locally. 2) how many points do you generally use for the local

area? (osteoacu) 3) What distal points are you using, Dr Tan uses many,

GB31/34/41. Do you support a yin channel, LV perhaps?Thanks you for sharing your

treatment strategies!

 

Dave

[Guest guest]

How important is the SCENAR for the effectiveness of this protocol? I have never

heard of SCENAR and wonder what is involved in learning and incorporating it

into the protocol?

 

Julie Casper

 

Chinese Medicine , Hugo Ramiro <subincor

wrote:

>

> Donald, thank you.

> Which SCENAR device do you recommend?

> I will have one ro two more questions later.

>

> Hugo

>

>

> ________________________________

> Hugo Ramiro

> http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

> http://www.middlemedicine.org

>

>

 

[Guest guest]

I never, with few exceptions, needle a point that is not ashi. The points that

are ashi are active points and there is pathology there. The exceptions are

Master Tong's distal points, they do not necessarily have to be ashi and since

many are on the bony area of the hands and feet it is hard to palpate them.

However, I still check for sensitivity.

 

 

 

Dr. Tan was trained in Master Tong's acupuncture and basically usurped it

without giving due credit to his mentor, Dr. Young Wei Chieh. Dr. Tan's

acupuncture is larger Master Tong's.

 

 

 

Don

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

dmvitello

Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:57:51 +0000

Regeneration of hip joint cartilage

 

 

 

 

 

Don,

 

Can you explain your AOM treatment a bit more. 1) Do you needle ashi, trigger,

motor points locally. 2) how many points do you generally use for the local

area? (osteoacu) 3) What distal points are you using, Dr Tan uses many,

GB31/34/41. Do you support a yin channel, LV perhaps?Thanks you for sharing your

treatment strategies!

 

Dave

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Ingesting gelatin was a health fad in Japan while I was there. It makes sense

that it would be beneficial for rebuilding cartilage, etc. It makes the skin

silky smooth too.

Zach

[Guest guest]

Everything I do has a purpose. SCENAR will shorten your course of treatment by

about 2/3. For instance. If I treated that hip that is our discussion now

without SCENAR and MET, using only AOM without any e'stim (because e'stim; TENS

or MENS is not classical, you know) would take 2 to 3 courses of treatment with

11-15 treatments per course for complete resolution. My methodology cuts the

time by around 60% and instead of a 60-70% efficacy as is pretty much standard

in TCM, I get 95% or better.

 

 

 

Lets think of it this way. To make nitroglycerin you need to combine nitrogen

with glycerin. If you don't combine them, you get no boom. However, if

combined in the appropriate combinations, I would suggest you do not jar the

bottles.

 

 

 

Hope this helps,

 

 

 

Don Snow

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

julie

Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:00:19 +0000

Re: Regeneration of hip joint cartilage

 

 

 

 

 

How important is the SCENAR for the effectiveness of this protocol? I have never

heard of SCENAR and wonder what is involved in learning and incorporating it

into the protocol?

 

Julie Casper

 

Chinese Medicine , Hugo Ramiro <subincor

wrote:

>

> Donald, thank you.

> Which SCENAR device do you recommend?

> I will have one ro two more questions later.

>

> Hugo

>

>

> ________________________________

> Hugo Ramiro

> http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

> http://www.middlemedicine.org

>

>

 

[Guest guest]

I have misses the original post, but is someone claiming they can

regenerate hip joint cartilage I dont believe them for a second. A

knee may be but hip no way. I have seen PRP, fat derived stem cells,

bone marrow stem cells, growth hormone, glucosamine and other GAGs,

implanted electrical stim all fail in the hip. I have played with

different elec stim techniques for 25 years. None actually regenerate

the hip. At best i have seen some symptomatic relief and perhaps

slowing down of the degenerative process.

 

 

 

400 29th St. Suite 419

Oakland Ca 94609

 

 

 

alonmarcus

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Can you comment on which Scenar model you have and why you feel it is a good one

for this work? Are there any seminars on this in the states? Do you use any

modifications, such as gold clips? Who would you recommend a seminar with?

 

Are you also using nutritional supplements (I like whole-food based Standard

Process) or do you use Chinese herbs or both to give nutrition to the area?

 

Lastly, it appears to me that you using estim, Scenar and possibly micro-current

all in the same visit. Is that correct?

 

One more, in what order do you use these modalities and can this protocol be

used to help post hip replacement healing?

 

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

 

 

 

> Chinese Traditional Medicine

> don83407

> Thu, 29 Apr 2010 13:09:18 -0500

> RE: Regeneration of hip joint cartilage

>

>

> Everything I do has a purpose. SCENAR will shorten your course of treatment

by about 2/3. For instance. If I treated that hip that is our discussion now

without SCENAR and MET, using only AOM without any e'stim (because e'stim; TENS

or MENS is not classical, you know) would take 2 to 3 courses of treatment with

11-15 treatments per course for complete resolution. My methodology cuts the

time by around 60% and instead of a 60-70% efficacy as is pretty much standard

in TCM, I get 95% or better.

>

>

>

> Lets think of it this way. To make nitroglycerin you need to combine nitrogen

with glycerin. If you don't combine them, you get no boom. However, if

combined in the appropriate combinations, I would suggest you do not jar the

bottles.

>

>

>

> Hope this helps,

>

>

>

> Don Snow

>

>

>

> Chinese Medicine

> julie

> Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:00:19 +0000

> Re: Regeneration of hip joint cartilage

>

>

>

>

>

> How important is the SCENAR for the effectiveness of this protocol? I have

never heard of SCENAR and wonder what is involved in learning and incorporating

it into the protocol?

>

> Julie Casper

>

> Chinese Medicine , Hugo Ramiro

<subincor wrote:

> >

> > Donald, thank you.

> > Which SCENAR device do you recommend?

> > I will have one ro two more questions later.

> >

> > Hugo

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Hugo Ramiro

> > http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

> > http://www.middlemedicine.org

> >

> >

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> >

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[Guest guest]

Hi Alon, I have a study with radiography. Where is yoru research, by the way,

besides your anecdotal clinical experience?

 

Hugo

 

 

________________________________

Hugo Ramiro

http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

http://www.middlemedicine.org

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

alon marcus <alonmarcus

Chinese Medicine

Thu, 29 April, 2010 14:20:31

Re: Regeneration of hip joint cartilage

 

 

I have misses the original post, but is someone claiming they can

regenerate hip joint cartilage I dont believe them for a second. A

knee may be but hip no way. I have seen PRP, fat derived stem cells,

bone marrow stem cells, growth hormone, glucosamine and other GAGs,

implanted electrical stim all fail in the hip. I have played with

different elec stim techniques for 25 years. None actually regenerate

the hip. At best i have seen some symptomatic relief and perhaps

slowing down of the degenerative process.

 

 

 

400 29th St. Suite 419

Oakland Ca 94609

 

 

www.integrativeheal thmedicine. com

alonmarcus (AT) wans (DOT) net

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hugo,

 

I would like a copy of that study, if you would not mind.

 

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

subincor

Thu, 29 Apr 2010 19:09:39 +0000

Re: Re: Regeneration of hip joint cartilage

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Alon, I have a study with radiography. Where is yoru research, by the way,

besides your anecdotal clinical experience?

 

 

 

Hugo

 

 

 

________________________________

 

Hugo Ramiro

 

http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

 

http://www.middlemedicine.org

 

 

 

________________________________

 

alon marcus <alonmarcus

 

Chinese Medicine

 

Thu, 29 April, 2010 14:20:31

 

Re: Regeneration of hip joint cartilage

 

 

 

I have misses the original post, but is someone claiming they can

 

regenerate hip joint cartilage I dont believe them for a second. A

 

knee may be but hip no way. I have seen PRP, fat derived stem cells,

 

bone marrow stem cells, growth hormone, glucosamine and other GAGs,

 

implanted electrical stim all fail in the hip. I have played with

 

different elec stim techniques for 25 years. None actually regenerate

 

the hip. At best i have seen some symptomatic relief and perhaps

 

slowing down of the degenerative process.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

400 29th St. Suite 419

 

Oakland Ca 94609

 

 

 

 

 

www.integrativeheal thmedicine. com

 

alonmarcus (AT) wans (DOT) net

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Dr. Bowser,

 

 

 

Sorry for the delay. I have used RITM SCENARs and they are good. But now I use

only LET model SCENARs for two reasons.

 

 

 

1. The old 035 based SCENARs required 6 to 18 months of training (expensive)

before one could get consistant results with SCENAR. And even with this

training a high percentage of folks still couldn't " get it. " LET has eliminated

this problem since LET models are computer programmed. You place it on the body

and when it tells you that you've found the problems, just leave it there and it

automatically treats the problem.

 

 

 

2. There are now 2 generations of SCENAR: a) original SCENAR frequency 2)

second generation COSMODIC frequency. This is better in many ways, but inferior

in a few. This frequency actually stimulates the body into producing its own

stem cells. Think about that for a moment and I don't think I need to say more.

 

 

 

As for the models to choose from there are myriads. I use models from LET

because the inventing scientist, Alexander Korazav is the founder and working

scientist in this corporation. He's always innovating, and if you haven't

noticed. I like innovation!

 

 

 

I personnally use the 705 cosmodic SCENARs, they are my favorite. If money is a

consideration and you must choose a scenar, choose cosmodic over scenar. The

705 is great because it is bigger than other models and therefore covers more

area. This means you can treat faster. If money is not a problem, get a 735

Modific (experimental) and around $8,000 - $10,000. I personally use the 735-M,

but I give my assistants the 705s; although they are always stealing the 735

when I'm not looking.

 

 

 

On you training question. When you train under others you limits you knowledge

to their knowledge. I recommend learning the basics and, you guessed it;

INNOVATING! I can run circles around most of the trainers, and that includes

those that train you on MET equipment. That's what's bad about formal

schooling. It makes one lazy. Heck, if it wasn't taught in the schools, it

must be junk. That's the mentality of Western medicine, and I see that it is

becoming the AOM mentality. Standardization breeds stagnation.

 

 

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

 

I am sincerely,

 

 

 

Don J. Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac.

 

 

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine

naturaldoc1

Thu, 29 Apr 2010 18:21:51 +0000

RE: Regeneration of hip joint cartilage

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can you comment on which Scenar model you have and why you feel it is a good one

for this work? Are there any seminars on this in the states? Do you use any

modifications, such as gold clips? Who would you recommend a seminar with?

 

Are you also using nutritional supplements (I like whole-food based Standard

Process) or do you use Chinese herbs or both to give nutrition to the area?

 

Lastly, it appears to me that you using estim, Scenar and possibly micro-current

all in the same visit. Is that correct?

 

One more, in what order do you use these modalities and can this protocol be

used to help post hip replacement healing?

 

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

 

> Chinese Traditional Medicine

> don83407

> Thu, 29 Apr 2010 13:09:18 -0500

> RE: Regeneration of hip joint cartilage

>

>

> Everything I do has a purpose. SCENAR will shorten your course of treatment by

about 2/3. For instance. If I treated that hip that is our discussion now

without SCENAR and MET, using only AOM without any e'stim (because e'stim; TENS

or MENS is not classical, you know) would take 2 to 3 courses of treatment with

11-15 treatments per course for complete resolution. My methodology cuts the

time by around 60% and instead of a 60-70% efficacy as is pretty much standard

in TCM, I get 95% or better.

>

>

>

> Lets think of it this way. To make nitroglycerin you need to combine nitrogen

with glycerin. If you don't combine them, you get no boom. However, if combined

in the appropriate combinations, I would suggest you do not jar the bottles.

>

>

>

> Hope this helps,

>

>

>

> Don Snow

>

>

>

> Chinese Medicine

> julie

> Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:00:19 +0000

> Re: Regeneration of hip joint cartilage

>

>

>

>

>

> How important is the SCENAR for the effectiveness of this protocol? I have

never heard of SCENAR and wonder what is involved in learning and incorporating

it into the protocol?

>

> Julie Casper

>

> Chinese Medicine , Hugo Ramiro

<subincor wrote:

> >

> > Donald, thank you.

> > Which SCENAR device do you recommend?

> > I will have one ro two more questions later.

> >

> > Hugo

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Hugo Ramiro

> > http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

> > http://www.middlemedicine.org

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Keep your unbelief my friend, but I remember a time not too long ago when we

could not get a man on the moon. And there are those that still believe it's a

lie.

 

 

 

Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac.

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

alonmarcus

Thu, 29 Apr 2010 11:20:31 -0700

Re: Regeneration of hip joint cartilage

 

 

 

 

 

I have misses the original post, but is someone claiming they can

regenerate hip joint cartilage I dont believe them for a second. A

knee may be but hip no way. I have seen PRP, fat derived stem cells,

bone marrow stem cells, growth hormone, glucosamine and other GAGs,

implanted electrical stim all fail in the hip. I have played with

different elec stim techniques for 25 years. None actually regenerate

the hip. At best i have seen some symptomatic relief and perhaps

slowing down of the degenerative process.

 

 

 

400 29th St. Suite 419

Oakland Ca 94609

 

 

 

alonmarcus

 

 

[Guest guest]

me too a copy would be nice. Also what kind of radiology? Since xray

is not a good way to evaluate

 

 

400 29th St. Suite 419

Oakland Ca 94609

 

 

 

alonmarcus

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

the 735 seres sell for between $3000-5700 is did not see a 735-M however

 

 

400 29th St. Suite 419

Oakland Ca 94609

 

 

 

alonmarcus

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

 Hi Alon, I am not sure you would want a copy, then.

 

 What's funny is that there at least two major biomedicine systems for

evaluating damage to the joint in question, and they both depend on x-rays. The

senior radiologist standing behind me also says they're sufficient.

 

 Sometimes you can never win, is all. And who is talking about perfection

anyway?

 

 Hugo

________________________________

Hugo Ramiro

http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

http://www.middlemedicine.org

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I would still like to see the xrays, very small changes in angle of

film can give different impressions. But if for example u can document

increase joint space on xray and clear decrease in capsular pattern

that would be good evidence. Again i would like to see copies of the

films clearly indicating name dates and sides

 

 

 

400 29th St. Suite 419

Oakland Ca 94609

 

 

 

alonmarcus