Guest guest Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 Hey, Don, would you be willing to teach some of us what you know? You've certainly piqued my interest. I'm sure that of others as well. Do you have your own forum somewhere? - " Donald Snow " <don83407 <Chinese Traditional Medicine > Thursday, April 29, 2010 3:10 PM RE: Herbal Pharmacology > > Hi Zev, > > > > I was standing behind you. That statement hurt at the time, but I built a > clientele using that " worthless " method. What I treat is everything. > Female problems, respiratory problems, prostate problems, etc, our > medicine is a complete medicine. I specialize and advertize for pain and > neuropathy because insurance will ALWAYS reimburse me for pain and > neuropathy. That is another secret of mine. Insurance reimbursement. > Any patient with insurance (except medicare) is my prime candidate and > they ALL pay me. That's something I shared with Jack and he felt that > what I was doing would be illegal. I even brought my lawyer with me to > meet him because I thought the schools should be teaching this. He wasn't > interested. > > > > Since then I have hired a number of attorneys to check on what I am doing > and I've also cleared this with the medical and chiropractic boards. > It's very legal, although no one else is doing it. Too bad for the > profession. > > > > I know that when I supervised at PCOM, I went behind many supervisors and > their students who had treatment failures. Then myself and my group of > students would then treat those patients and the results were immediate > and profound. That's when I knew I was on to something very nice. Some > of these supervisors were from China and were supposed to be the best. I > was able to take their failures and the patients got well. > > > > Are we not supposed to make the patient well? If there is something out > there that can help and you know about it and don't use it, are you not > guilty of some kind of ethics violation? > > > > That's how I would feel if I didn't do what I do. > > > > I practice AOM, but my AOM is on steroids. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > Your Student, > > > > Don Snow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 Don, I feel the same way as Mercurius, very interested but with no idea how to proceed. How does one learn about the SCENAR? Where and what to purchase, and how to apply it clinically. You are making comments about healing patients that are of great interest to me, but I'm not hearing how to go forward. I tried doing a search online about SCENAR and only got some confusing sites that sell lots of different things but with no information on what to do with it. Where can I get good information? Julie Chinese Medicine , " Mercurius Trismegistus " <magisterium_magnum wrote: > > Hey, Don, would you be willing to teach some of us what you know? You've > certainly piqued my interest. I'm sure that of others as well. Do you have > your own forum somewhere? - > " Donald Snow " <don83407 > <Chinese Traditional Medicine > > Thursday, April 29, 2010 3:10 PM > RE: Herbal Pharmacology > > > > > > Hi Zev, > > > > > > > > I was standing behind you. That statement hurt at the time, but I built a > > clientele using that " worthless " method. What I treat is everything. > > Female problems, respiratory problems, prostate problems, etc, our > > medicine is a complete medicine. I specialize and advertize for pain and > > neuropathy because insurance will ALWAYS reimburse me for pain and > > neuropathy. That is another secret of mine. Insurance reimbursement. > > Any patient with insurance (except medicare) is my prime candidate and > > they ALL pay me. That's something I shared with Jack and he felt that > > what I was doing would be illegal. I even brought my lawyer with me to > > meet him because I thought the schools should be teaching this. He wasn't > > interested. > > > > > > > > Since then I have hired a number of attorneys to check on what I am doing > > and I've also cleared this with the medical and chiropractic boards. > > It's very legal, although no one else is doing it. Too bad for the > > profession. > > > > > > > > I know that when I supervised at PCOM, I went behind many supervisors and > > their students who had treatment failures. Then myself and my group of > > students would then treat those patients and the results were immediate > > and profound. That's when I knew I was on to something very nice. Some > > of these supervisors were from China and were supposed to be the best. I > > was able to take their failures and the patients got well. > > > > > > > > Are we not supposed to make the patient well? If there is something out > > there that can help and you know about it and don't use it, are you not > > guilty of some kind of ethics violation? > > > > > > > > That's how I would feel if I didn't do what I do. > > > > > > > > I practice AOM, but my AOM is on steroids. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Your Student, > > > > > > > > Don Snow > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 I would be willing to show you how to use a SCENAR and it would take about an hour. However, I am not ready to teach anything but the basics concerning MET. I buy my SCENARS from LET. I put out a thread on this site yester discussing the various models and their pros and cons. If I were you, I'd buy a Cosmodic Dove for around $1,000 to 1,500 or what I use the most (my workhorse), LET model 705 at around $1,800 - $2,500. I am sincerely, Don J. Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. Chinese Medicine julie Fri, 30 Apr 2010 11:49:08 +0000 Re: Mentorship Don, I feel the same way as Mercurius, very interested but with no idea how to proceed. How does one learn about the SCENAR? Where and what to purchase, and how to apply it clinically. You are making comments about healing patients that are of great interest to me, but I'm not hearing how to go forward. I tried doing a search online about SCENAR and only got some confusing sites that sell lots of different things but with no information on what to do with it. Where can I get good information? Julie Chinese Medicine , " Mercurius Trismegistus " <magisterium_magnum wrote: > > Hey, Don, would you be willing to teach some of us what you know? You've > certainly piqued my interest. I'm sure that of others as well. Do you have > your own forum somewhere? - > " Donald Snow " <don83407 > <Chinese Traditional Medicine > > Thursday, April 29, 2010 3:10 PM > RE: Herbal Pharmacology > > > > > > Hi Zev, > > > > > > > > I was standing behind you. That statement hurt at the time, but I built a > > clientele using that " worthless " method. What I treat is everything. > > Female problems, respiratory problems, prostate problems, etc, our > > medicine is a complete medicine. I specialize and advertize for pain and > > neuropathy because insurance will ALWAYS reimburse me for pain and > > neuropathy. That is another secret of mine. Insurance reimbursement. > > Any patient with insurance (except medicare) is my prime candidate and > > they ALL pay me. That's something I shared with Jack and he felt that > > what I was doing would be illegal. I even brought my lawyer with me to > > meet him because I thought the schools should be teaching this. He wasn't > > interested. > > > > > > > > Since then I have hired a number of attorneys to check on what I am doing > > and I've also cleared this with the medical and chiropractic boards. > > It's very legal, although no one else is doing it. Too bad for the > > profession. > > > > > > > > I know that when I supervised at PCOM, I went behind many supervisors and > > their students who had treatment failures. Then myself and my group of > > students would then treat those patients and the results were immediate > > and profound. That's when I knew I was on to something very nice. Some > > of these supervisors were from China and were supposed to be the best. I > > was able to take their failures and the patients got well. > > > > > > > > Are we not supposed to make the patient well? If there is something out > > there that can help and you know about it and don't use it, are you not > > guilty of some kind of ethics violation? > > > > > > > > That's how I would feel if I didn't do what I do. > > > > > > > > I practice AOM, but my AOM is on steroids. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Your Student, > > > > > > > > Don Snow > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 Billing greatly depends on area one lives in. I have seen MDs get sued for money back once Insu and especially medicare found out what was really going on. 400 29th St. Suite 419 Oakland Ca 94609 alonmarcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 If I may ask, " what was really going on? " that they were sued. That statement needs qualification. Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. Chinese Medicine alonmarcus Fri, 30 Apr 2010 10:33:36 -0700 Re: Mentorship Billing greatly depends on area one lives in. I have seen MDs get sued for money back once Insu and especially medicare found out what was really going on. 400 29th St. Suite 419 Oakland Ca 94609 alonmarcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 Don using billing codes that were not intended for the service. I have also seen one case that medicare demanded and got money back because an LAc was using physical therapy codes at an MDs office under the MDs name. 400 29th St. Suite 419 Oakland Ca 94609 alonmarcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2010 Report Share Posted May 1, 2010 The legal opinion is this: Anyone can perform physical medicine under the supervision of an M.D. However, the M.D. must be present at least 70% of the time. By present, he/she must be physically in the same building. If that was the case, I would have taken this to court and won. This opinion came from 3 different medical boards and I team of lawyers that cost me a great deal. Yours sincerely, Don J. Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. Chinese Medicine alonmarcus Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:14:35 -0700 Re: Mentorship Don using billing codes that were not intended for the service. I have also seen one case that medicare demanded and got money back because an LAc was using physical therapy codes at an MDs office under the MDs name. 400 29th St. Suite 419 Oakland Ca 94609 alonmarcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2010 Report Share Posted May 1, 2010 Don, i dont know but maybe medicare has its own rules 400 29th St. Suite 419 Oakland Ca 94609 alonmarcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2010 Report Share Posted May 1, 2010 by the way Don does that include mobilization, manipulation, neuromuscular education, etc.? does one need any license to do these under MD name? 400 29th St. Suite 419 Oakland Ca 94609 alonmarcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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