Guest guest Posted February 19, 2000 Report Share Posted February 19, 2000 I don't like unfounded rumors, but airing them gives an opportunity for rebuttal, if there is one. so here goes. Bob flaws recently wrote an unpopular article about the state of american acupuncture education. the article was allegedly emailed to all school presidents, at least one of whom allegedly reacted by removing all blue poppy books from the school library and bookstore and curriculum. If this is true, then is the most heinous act of restraint of academic speech I ever seen in our field. I want to clear this up and express outrage if it turns out to be true. So if anyone can add to this discussion, please do. All the events are alleged, but restrictions on speech and trade for political reasons is fascism, pure and simple and we must never ever go down that path. todd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2000 Report Share Posted February 19, 2000 I also heard the same, I think it is true. > " " <herb-t > >I don't like unfounded rumors, but airing them gives an opportunity for >rebuttal, if there is one. so here goes. Bob flaws recently wrote an >unpopular article about the state of american acupuncture education. >the article was allegedly emailed to all school presidents, at least one >of whom allegedly reacted by removing all blue poppy books from the >school library and bookstore and curriculum. If this is true, then is >the most heinous act of restraint of academic speech I ever seen in our >field. I want to clear this up and express outrage if it turns out to >be true. So if anyone can add to this discussion, please do. All the >events are alleged, but restrictions on speech and trade for political >reasons is fascism, pure and simple and we must never ever go down that >path. > >todd > > >------ >WANT FREE MAGAZINES? >Sample over 500 magazines in 30 categories-- all for FREE at >FreeShop.com, your source for thousands of free and trial offers! >http://click./1/1610/4/_/_/_/951008841/ >------ > >Chronic Diseases Heal - Chinese Herbs Can Help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2000 Report Share Posted February 20, 2000 I think the school president just expressed HIS free speak. Bob is a big boy AND a Big Revenue producer for the industry. On a second note ... education in the United States (at least in California), Books, Writers, Publishers and Academia have little in common with True Knowledge - what academic speech is /should be - and serve to promote their point of view as defined by government. mental To Your ^ Health, Ed Kasper LAc. http://HappyHerbalist.com " " <herb-t I don't like unfounded rumors, but airing them gives an opportunity for rebuttal, if there is one. so here goes. Bob flaws recently wrote an unpopular article about the state of american acupuncture education. the article was allegedly emailed to all school presidents, at least one of whom allegedly reacted by removing all blue poppy books from the school library and bookstore and curriculum. If this is true, then is the most heinous act of restraint of academic speech I ever seen in our field. I want to clear this up and express outrage if it turns out to be true. So if anyone can add to this discussion, please do. All the events are alleged, but restrictions on speech and trade for political reasons is fascism, pure and simple and we must never ever go down that path. todd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2000 Report Share Posted February 20, 2000 My counter point attempted was that individuals (organizations, schools) also have the same basic human rights. One does not have the Right To Be Heard ! That would be fascism ! In the case of state regulated schools. The courses, and the library are proposed to the state for acceptance. The state - with few exceptions - can not (and should not) dictate contents. As that would be the greater evil. This debate has affected Chinese medicine in California (at least to me). In order to be sanctioned and blessed to practice I had to pass the State Test. My novice complaint was that the TEST didn't seem to reflect any practical side of TCM. My teachers told me " First past the test, Then learn TCM " . The State position was the test, et al, was a composite of different " schools of thought " each trying to influence what they believed crucial - and therefore " had a right to be heard " and therefore was on the test. The debate continues by different and competing acupuncture groups and click's vying to be dominate. (all the while the AMA laughs). Would the Blue Poppy Library really be crucial to a Five Element School ? Is any library really reflecting of the vast collection of material available? Personally I believe that schools, organizations, individuals should seek a foundation of their " unique " method. They should foster their ideas and allow those ideas to stand or fall on the merits of a free and fair debate. To Your Health, Ed Kasper LAc. http://HappyHerbalist.com Sunday, February 20, 2000 5:18 PM RE: rumors restriction of someone else's speech is not free speech; that also is fascism; if you have a counterpoint, that's fine, but this president was hardly exercising his first ammedment rights in this situation. In addition, accredited schools can lose their accreditation if they adjust their library collection to restrict this type of speech. this is no small matter and has nothing to do with whether bob is a big boy or not. Not to mention that students are deprived of the most important works available, the translated classics. No one will ever translate these again, as these books do not make money for the publisher. so I think is it is uncumbent upon the administrations of schools not to to take their juvenile tantrums out on their students and faculty. free speech, my ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2000 Report Share Posted February 20, 2000 restriction of someone else's speech is not free speech; that also is fascism; if you have a counterpoint, that's fine, but this president was hardly exercising his first ammedment rights in this situation. In addition, accredited schools can lose their accreditation if they adjust their library collection to restrict this type of speech. this is no small matter and has nothing to do with whether bob is a big boy or not. Not to mention that students are deprived of the most important works available, the translated classics. No one will ever translate these again, as these books do not make money for the publisher. so I think is it is uncumbent upon the administrations of schools not to to take their juvenile tantrums out on their students and faculty. free speech, my ass. [This message contained attachments] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2000 Report Share Posted February 21, 2000 Hi Ed log on to Blue Poppy and present your ideas in the forumthat Bob created just for sucxh questions Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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