Guest guest Posted February 28, 2000 Report Share Posted February 28, 2000 I've wondered myself about the rancidity of huo ma ren, as well as its effect upon patients who are subject to increasingly sensitive drug tests. A number of hemp butter sites on the web make points about having no detectable THC contamination in their products, which leads me to question whether seeds from our sources would be problematic. (I know people who will avoid poppyseed bagels because they have to take random drug tests and the trace amounts of opiates in legal culinary seeds register as evidence of drug use.) While it may be insufficient to get clients high, it may still register. Flaxseed, ya ma ren, goes rancid within literally minutes of grinding, which is why I counsel clients to grind it immediately before eating. I suspect that huo ma ren would work better in that manner, especially if given in congees. I share Todd's scepticism that essential fatty acids would survive decoction, especially powdered in a bag prepared for the week ahead. Udo Erasmo does indicate that hemp seeds, oil or hemp butter are more stable than flaxseed and flax seed oil (but are less stable than peanut butter.) Michael Tierra recommends huo ma ren electuaries or halvas, which should be freshly made and refrigerated. Erasmo says that hemp seeds sold in the US are steamed. Steaming may cause the seeds to split, permitting oxidation of the oil (although visual inspection of my huo ma ren shows little evidence of splitting.) The cold pressed oil has a peroxide value (PV) of 0.1- 0.5, versus 6-7 for oil made of steamed seeds. (Peroxide oil is a measure of rancidity). He says that the PV of hemp is safe and does not ruin its taste, unlike flax oil which tastes bad with a PV of 2-3. For contrast the PV of virgin olive oil is around 20 and the PV of unrefined corn oil may be 40-60. So for yin and fluids deficiency it looks like either refrigerated fresh hemp oil or freshly ground huo ma ren would be most nutritive. About 65% of the total protein in hemp seed is edestin, a sturdy, stable protein, similar to that found in the albumen in egg whites and blood. Edestin is however destroyed by heat so is not present except in the Canadian products. As for fumigation, I got the same negative response as Todd in questioning US Customs a year or two ago. However fumigation in the country or origin is sometimes a problem. Erasmo points out that the usual fumigants for hemp seed are highly volatile and rarely leave detectable residues, which squares with Subhuti Dharmananda's information. Canadian hempseed, which is mechanically hulled instead of steamed, and Canadian hemp oils may avoid fumigation entirely but roughage would be lost reducing the laxative effect. Karen Vaughan CreationsGarden *************************************** Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment. " To give pleasure to a single heart, by a single act, is better than a thousand heads bowing in prayer. " M. Ghandi ______________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2000 Report Share Posted February 28, 2000 It is my understanding that sterilized huo ma ren is legal for use in the US. Numerous companies import this seed legally. However, it has been heat treated to prevent sprouting. Since the active components are heat sensitive essential fatty acids, I would suggest that most seeds are rancidified by this process, making them not only useess, but perhaps dangerous. Rancid EFA's cause cancer at very high rates due to massive free radical induction. As Kevin Oneil mentioned in an earlier post, it is also unlikely that powdered water extracts contain much EFA either,as these are fat soluble. Huo ma ren was typically used as pill or porridge because of this. I think pure hempseed oil, which is usually cold extracted and stored in the refrigerator is a good substitute for both dry constipation, yin xu, lung dryness and some scaling skin diseases, all of which have been treated by huo ma ren in ancient times. Also, someone mentioned fumigation, though I am unclear about what exactly was being referred to. There is a misconception that chinese herbs are fumigated at some point in their journey west. Actually, they are not fumigated at US customs; I checked. And as far as I can tell, they are not fumigated by the Chinese unless they are actually infested, but certainly not as a matter of course. This is a common misconception and can be verified by both Andy Ellis at springwind.com herbs and Subhuti Dharmananda at itmonline.org. If anyone has actual evidence (not anecdote) to the contrary, please provide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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