Guest guest Posted March 13, 2000 Report Share Posted March 13, 2000 Jeffrey, Thank you for your explanation. I will check out the reference. Sean Jeffrey Weih [jweih]Monday, March 13, 2000 2:02 PM Subject: fMRI Jeffrey Weih <jweih Todd: What would the functional MRI (fMRI) map of the brainlook like in gan qi yu jie? What parts of the brain woulddemonstrate changes in activity in response to coursing theliver and rectifying qi? Or, would both of these questions beanswerable only by comparing pre- and post-treatment images?Sean: My understanding (based on my reading of the referencebelow) is that the subjects were only partially placed into thefMRI tube (headfirst). Under "Materials and Results," mentionis made of a "standard head coil." Only brain images wereobtained; only foot points were needled (outside the tube). Thus there were no needles within the magnetic field of thefMRI.See Cho ZH et al, "New findings of the correlation betweenacupoints and corresponding brain cortices using functionalMRI," Proc Natl Acad Sci USA 1998;95:2670-2673. A seminal work.Talk to your friends online with Messenger.http://im. Enter Ht: ft. in. Enter Wt: lbs. Chronic Diseases Heal - Chinese Herbs Can Help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2000 Report Share Posted March 13, 2000 Jeff I can't answer your question. That's what the research is for, I hope? Thank you for clarifying the test procedure, though. Listers, Please refrain from personal attacks on this list. It is perfectly all right to challenge an opinion or criticize a style of practice. It is NOT ok to try and silence someone by comparing their criticism to some form of persecution. It is ironic that the same folks who took me to task several weeks ago because I branded a pro censorship opinion as fascist are now doing a similar thing by comparing Zev's very well reasoned critique of NAET to witch burning. Since only questions have been asked and no fires have been lit, this analogy of witch burning is inflammatory itself. This forum is for rational discussion of matters which affect our practice. When one screams persecution where there is clearly nothing but honest skepticism, I am concerned. is not based on faith, but on reason. If a style of practice is questioned and you react as if someone's god has been challenged, its time to step back from the discussion temporarily. That's what I have to do myself sometimes. I, for one, still await a rational response to any one of Zev's critiques. I am sure none is forthcoming, as the ONLY basis I ever heard for NAET is the continual refrain that it works, so who cares why? But this was exactly the point in my last post. If that is our position, we shall surely die as a profession because this position is completely unacceptable to contemporary society in the long run. We should not be misled by our short term economic success and become complacent. Finally, while radio waves are invisible, they are most certainly measurable and quantifiable. The fact that this question was raised just shows how far the understanding of qi is from that described in actual Chinese sources. Qi is not measurable and quantifiable; it is about patterns, not energy. There is really no case to be made that qi is some form of monolitihic invisible energy. ALL the evidence suggests otherwise. It is all summarized in birch and felt's " understanding acupuncture " . If anyone can rebut this position with real evidence, rather than analogies, please proceed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2000 Report Share Posted March 13, 2000 Thank you For clarifying the issues. . . And to David Sontag: I have never in all my years on the net received such a smug, self-serving, condescending response. Yes, go back to your patients. . . .the dialogue is finished. As Bob Dylan said, " time will tell, what will stand, and what will be left behind. . ..when you go your way, and I go mine " . > " " <herb-t > >Jeff > >I can't answer your question. That's what the research is for, I hope? >Thank you for clarifying the test procedure, though. > > > >Listers, > >Please refrain from personal attacks on this list. It is perfectly all >right to challenge an opinion or criticize a style of practice. It is >NOT ok to try and silence someone by comparing their criticism to some >form of persecution. It is ironic that the same folks who took me to >task several weeks ago because I branded a pro censorship opinion as >fascist are now doing a similar thing by comparing Zev's very well >reasoned critique of NAET to witch burning. Since only questions have >been asked and no fires have been lit, this analogy of witch burning is >inflammatory itself. > >This forum is for rational discussion of matters which affect our >practice. When one screams persecution where there is clearly nothing >but honest skepticism, I am concerned. is not based on >faith, but on reason. If a style of practice is questioned and you >react as if someone's god has been challenged, its time to step back >from the discussion temporarily. That's what I have to do myself >sometimes. > >I, for one, still await a rational response to any one of Zev's >critiques. I am sure none is forthcoming, as the ONLY basis I ever >heard for NAET is the continual refrain that it works, so who cares >why? But this was exactly the point in my last post. If that is our >position, we shall surely die as a profession because this position is >completely unacceptable to contemporary society in the long run. We >should not be misled by our short term economic success and become >complacent. > >Finally, while radio waves are invisible, they are most certainly >measurable and quantifiable. The fact that this question was raised >just shows how far the understanding of qi is from that described in >actual Chinese sources. Qi is not measurable and quantifiable; it is >about patterns, not energy. There is really no case to be made that qi >is some form of monolitihic invisible energy. ALL the evidence suggests >otherwise. It is all summarized in birch and felt's " understanding >acupuncture " . If anyone can rebut this position with real evidence, >rather than analogies, please proceed. > >Todd > > >------ >PERFORM CPR ON YOUR APR! >Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as >0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. >Apply NOW! >http://click./1/2121/4/_/542111/_/952987828/ >------ > >Chronic Diseases Heal - Chinese Herbs Can Help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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