Guest guest Posted March 14, 2000 Report Share Posted March 14, 2000 Listers, I am not happy about how easily controversial topics turn into flaming wars on this list. This is a list for herbal medicine and it is quite clear that it is peripheral subjects like education, censorship and non-herbal modalities that stir up the most rancor. However, I still maintain that hese topics are relevant when they somehow impact our practices as herbalists. Now education and censorship clearly are relevant topics, since we must decide as a professional community what standards, if any, should exist in these areas. As to non-herbal modalities, those discussions are also relevant when there is some overlap with herbal practice or theory. In the case of non-traditional diagnostic methods like naet, muscle testing, etc., these become relevant if they are being used to select herbs or promote an interpretation of TCM theory used by herbalists, such as the nature of qi. I got into TCM because it, like several other well defined systems, has a basis for assessing a patient's progress. that basis is the four exams. With the four exams, we can tell if a particular method is helping or hurting the patient. Once we dispense with this rational assessment of patterns, we have dispensed with the great tradition of TCM (for more on this, see http://www.spiritone.com/~herb-t/open.html and http://www.spiritone.com/~herb-t/tcm.html) Maybe in 1800 years, NAET will turn out to have survived the test of time, but if it can't stand the test of bian zheng now, I can't wait that long nor risk my patients to find out. Personally, I find the methods espoused by Li dong yuan to be extremely effective in the treatment of allergies. This approach can be explained by TCM theory, yet it is not well known or taught in schools (see http://www.bluepoppy.com/press/download/articles/autoimmune.html ). Is the trend towards methods like naet because what we learn in school doesn't work in practice? We need to go deeper, then. TCM does work, but not in the superficial textbook kind of way. I think people must get frustrated that they can't make TCM work right out of school, so they move on to other approaches. I also have to strongly and respectfully disagree with the idea that our patient's satisfaction with their symptom relief is a firm basis for proper treatment. Consider that caffeine relieves fatigue and opium relieves pain and cannabis relieves depression. Why not just bag TCM and let people just go on drinking coffee, smoking pot and taking painkiller drugs? Because symptom relief may lead to worsening health if chosen without bian zheng in mind. For newcomers, I include in the term bian zheng all pattern differentiation medicines, such as ayurveda and homeopathy, but exclude modern energy medicines, because they are focused not on patterns but on an interpretation that equates qi with some nebulous bioenergy. Since the initial premise of energy medicine is incorrect in my opinion, assumptions based on that premise have no rational basis. So while energy medicine techniques may relieve symptoms, there is no sound basis for incorporating these methodologies into TCM, either as diagnostics or therapeutics. And there is no credible evidence that the reported patient satisfaction is any more than placebo effect. I want to be sure everyone understands that no one on this list will be expected to hold their tongues with regard to the efficacy or mechanism of a medical practice because someone might be offended. While I certainly defend the right of anyone to maintain their private political, cultural and religious beliefs, medicine is wholly outside this domain. We have a big problem if we defend a form of medicine just in order to avoid offending a practitioner or because we feel obligated to accept all these diverse practices as having inherent value. Medicine needs to be scrutinized, not taken on faith. TCM stands up well to this scrutiny, as does much of naturopathy, western herbalism, ayurveda, etc. The entire public takes it on faith that western medicine is the best approach with our methods being dubbed as alternative (read: last ditch for most folks and you all know it). If we scrutinize the whole kit and kaboodle, we will discover there is immense value and piles of worthless garbage in both alternative and conventional medicine. I, for one, am willing to take that chance and go under the microscope. So hopefully, it is clear that this list is not a place to find open armed acceptance for whatever you may do in this field. If you take an unpopular or unusual position, be prepared to defend it rationally or stay out of the fray. Over the past year, I have been very enlightened by knowledgeable folks on this list who have greatly expanded my narrow understanding of alchemy, japanese kanpo schools, herb production methods and more. I came to new understandings by having these positions well presented with either scientific, historical documentation or both. It is not necessary to show us double blind clinical studies, but where is the basic research, the historical precedents or even documented anecdotes? When a new theory develops in TCM, it is always grounded in some rational methodology, some reference to literature or research. It most certainly does not come out of thin air. So that argument is facile. Though perhaps the (inadvertent?) admission that naet and muscle testing just did come out of thin air themselves will make others think twice before they are seduced by this type of pseudoscience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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