Guest guest Posted March 15, 2000 Report Share Posted March 15, 2000 Thanks to all for the thoughts on NAET. To bridge it over to our topic of Chinese herbs, and hopefully explore some new, useful territory in a thoughtful and peaceful way <G>, I'd like to mention a prominent practitioner in Portland (quite well respected), who exclusively practices herbal medicine. He takes the case and comes up with the appropriate area of herbs to use, then uses a fancy German electrokinesiology machine (patient puts feet on metal plate, holds probes (this may be on Jing-well points), and herb samples in little glass vials are placed on a 'testing plate' on the machine.) The needle on the meter lets the herbalist know if the herb is good or bad for them, and he fine tunes his formula based on these results. So first, he uses Chinese medical diagnostics, and uses this technique to focus in more precisely. Is this better than kinesiology? Is it scientific? Worth researching? Is this 'energy medicine'? Is this 'appropriate' for a Traditional/Classical Chinese Medicine practitioner in your opinion? --Kevin PS I had a new patient this morning who blew my mind: Mill Worker Maintenance Electrician Approx. 50 years old. Complains of sinus congestion, difficulty breathing. Often in a dusty/airborne fibre environment, with formaldehyde, resins, other airborne pollutants. Rarely uses mask. Easily fatigued/short of breath. Nose is very stuffy. Clear discharge, with dust and fibres. Been working at the mill for 2 years, major congestion over past 3 months. Mainly working with herbs--Golden Flower's Jade Screen and Xanthium Formula, and 2 bulk sample bags of a modified cang er zi/yu ping feng tang. He wanted to experience acupuncture, so I did a basic treatment on him (LI4/LR3, Yin Tang, LI15, ST2, TB5, LU7). After acupuncture, he said in his rural drawl, " Have yew ever tried meditation? " I said, " Yeah. " He said, " I learned some meditation a while ago and had been doin' it... creatin' a beam of light... I wuz sendin' it to my brother... Then I couldn't see the light any more... It wuz gone. But here on this table, I kin see it agin'! It's so peaceful 'n' beautiful... " So don't none of y'all downtalk mah mill werkers 'n' rednecks, y'hear!? <LOL> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2000 Report Share Posted March 15, 2000 kevin, glad to hear you are working with the salt of the earth, that's where it's at in my humble opinion. still stirring up controversy among our colleagues, too. you go, guy! peter chabarek On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:58:06 -0800 " Kevin O'Neil, L.Ac. " <Kevin writes: > Thanks to all for the thoughts on NAET. To bridge it over to our > topic of Chinese herbs, and hopefully explore some new, useful > territory in a thoughtful and peaceful way <G>, I'd like to mention > a > prominent practitioner in Portland (quite well respected), who > exclusively practices herbal medicine. He takes the case and comes > up with the appropriate area of herbs to use, then uses a fancy > German electrokinesiology machine (patient puts feet on metal plate, > > holds probes (this may be on Jing-well points), and herb samples in > little glass vials are placed on a 'testing plate' on the machine.) > The needle on the meter lets the herbalist know if the herb is good > or bad for them, and he fine tunes his formula based on these > results. So first, he uses Chinese medical diagnostics, and uses > this technique to focus in more precisely. > > Is this better than kinesiology? > > Is it scientific? Worth researching? > > Is this 'energy medicine'? > > Is this 'appropriate' for a Traditional/Classical > practitioner in your opinion? > > --Kevin > > PS I had a new patient this morning who blew my mind: > > Mill Worker > Maintenance Electrician > Approx. 50 years old. > > Complains of sinus congestion, difficulty breathing. Often in a > dusty/airborne fibre environment, with formaldehyde, resins, other > airborne pollutants. Rarely uses mask. Easily fatigued/short of > breath. Nose is very stuffy. Clear discharge, with dust and > fibres. > Been working at the mill for 2 years, major congestion over past 3 > months. > > Mainly working with herbs--Golden Flower's Jade Screen and Xanthium > Formula, and 2 bulk sample bags of a modified cang er zi/yu ping > feng > tang. > > He wanted to experience acupuncture, so I did a basic treatment on > him (LI4/LR3, Yin Tang, LI15, ST2, TB5, LU7). > > After acupuncture, he said in his rural drawl, " Have yew ever tried > meditation? " > > I said, " Yeah. " > > He said, " I learned some meditation a while ago and had been doin' > it... creatin' a beam of light... I wuz sendin' it to my brother... > > Then I couldn't see the light any more... It wuz gone. But here on > > this table, I kin see it agin'! It's so peaceful 'n' beautiful... " > > So don't none of y'all downtalk mah mill werkers 'n' rednecks, > y'hear!? <LOL> ______________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2000 Report Share Posted March 16, 2000 German electrokinesiology machine Is this better than kinesiology? It is a subjective measure, the equvelant of muscle testing or pendulums. The risk is that the impression of an objective method of assessment may be imparted. Is it scientific? Worth researching? Go online to OIRF (Occidental Institute Research Foundation) they are doing research. Is this 'energy medicine'? Yes....if the treatment modality is.... Is this 'appropriate' for a Traditional/Classical practitioner in your opinion? The utilization of these methods may interfere with the cultivation of the art and depth of Chinese medicine whenever the "TCM" process of analysis and decision making is bypassed. Sincerely, Will Morris Attachment: vcard [not shown] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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