lab tests

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welcome Back, Dave

 

According to David Eisenberg's study, 96% of patients using

alternative

medicine also see a conventional physicians for their complaint. I

have found that it is often quite easy to get lab tests done and even

covered by insurance a lot of the time by sending the patient back to

their HMO. HMO doctors are often quite rushed and miss things that

we

do not in our long visits with the patient. If you can make a good

case for doing a test, a conscientious doc will follow up or perhaps

this is only in Oregon where the docs are openminded and we are

regulated by the same board.

 

While I would like to see training in ordering and interpreting lab

tests at the doctoral level, we lost the right in Oregon to do this

at

the master's level when our board reinterpreted a legislative clause.

 

This was unfortunate, but their point was well taken. Even knowing

what lab tests to order, much less how to interpret them takes very

extensive training and the current masters training does not even

come

close in oregon. It is also questionable how much doctoral training

will be devoted to this, either, as other things like classics and

language are already getting short shrift in exisitng proposals.

 

In any event, I have it on good authority that the Oregon Board of

Medical Examiners has no intention of licensing Doctors of Oriental

Medicine or granting us any physician type privileges ever,

regardless

of any advanced training people take. The resistance of physicians

who

control the board is pretty absolute on these issues. that is why

chiros and naturos have their own boards in Oregon.

 

We could start our own board, but our fees would quadruple and

service

would deteriorate. Kind of a catch-22. Before going down this path,

give the naturopathic board a call one day and try and get something

accomplished.

 

 

, acuman1@a... wrote:

> This can indeed be one of the problems with people who feel that we

should

> not have lab tests or knowledge of them included in our scope of

practice. We

> can of course refer out in every case for another doc to do lab

tests, but

> this can be expensive for the patient, and it is still by our

request that

> the lab tests are being done. Perhaps this will be the eventual

difference

> between an OM doc and an acupuncturist.

> David Molony

..

> >

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In a message dated 5/12/00 3:00:54 AM, herb-t writes:

 

>This was unfortunate, but their point was well taken. Even knowing

>what lab tests to order, much less how to interpret them takes very

>extensive training and the current masters training does not even

>come

>close in oregon.

 

Amazing how it does in California, and the OR college is accredited by CA,

but they can't just require it there? Sort of giving up a level of

responsibility in order to accomodate to a lower level of practice in the

state. There must be an ND college there. It would instead have been more in

standing with the advance of the field to merely require the training prior

to licensure, like CA does. Now, it is lost, and will be a lot harder to get

back, considering that the AMA has out front called for an end to the advance

of non physicians into their turf in any way, and they make no bones about

calling it turf either, I might add. Lab testing is especially important in

herbal practice, and useful in every practice.

Dave