Guest guest Posted May 15, 2000 Report Share Posted May 15, 2000 Rosita Arvigo, an herbalist trained in the Mayan traditions, describes a series of psychic external evils which are recognized in Mayan medicine by distinguishable symptoms and pulse patterns. (I'd love to feel them or at least have them explained in OM terms.) For instance, invidio, an external psychic attack by an envious person, has a pulse pattern that is distinguishable from that caused by external evil thoughts, as well as its own patterns of palpitations, an inexplicable desire to move or change jobs and a variety of other internal and external symptoms. I have not yet come across external psychic evils in Oriental Medicine, although I would be suprised if they didn't exist in a tradition that deals with balance. Any references or traditions come to mind? Karen Vaughan CreationsGarden *************************************** Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment. 'People have illness because they do not have love in their life and are not cherished'.- Sun Si Miao ______________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2000 Report Share Posted May 15, 2000 Hi Karen, If you take a look at page 43 of Who Can Ride the Dragon? you'll find a brief discussion of the shamanistic roots of Chinese medicine. Indeed, as you surmise Chinese medicine not only contains but begins in a tradition of intervention by a class of individuals known as " wu " (shaman) to ward off a wide variety of spirits, demons, ghosts, and the like. This spiritualism echoes in the later development of theories such as the six environmental evils, and indeed the entire notion of evil (xie) qi in discussions of etiology and pathology. I wrote an article that appeared in the Winter '99 issue of the journal Parabola that goes into this at somewhat greater length, if you're interested. There are a number of books on this subject in Chinese, but none have been translated to my knowledge; and I can't think of a book in English that illuminates this tradition adequately. Hope this helps. Ken - Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden Monday, May 15, 2000 5:23 AM Psychic EPIs Rosita Arvigo, an herbalist trained in the Mayan traditions, describes a series of psychic external evils which are recognized in Mayan medicine by distinguishable symptoms and pulse patterns. (I'd love to feel them or at least have them explained in OM terms.) For instance, invidio, an external psychic attack by an envious person, has a pulse pattern that is distinguishable from that caused by external evil thoughts, as well as its own patterns of palpitations, an inexplicable desire to move or change jobs and a variety of other internal and external symptoms. I have not yet come across external psychic evils in Oriental Medicine, although I would be suprised if they didn't exist in a tradition that deals with balance. Any references or traditions come to mind? Karen Vaughan CreationsGarden *************************************** Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment. 'People have illness because they do not have love in their life and are not cherished'.- Sun Si Miao ______________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------ Get paid for the stuff you know! Get answers for the stuff you don't. And get $10 to spend on the site! http://click./1/2200/9/_/542111/_/958396052/ ------ Chronic Diseases Heal - Chinese Herbs Can Help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2000 Report Share Posted May 15, 2000 Karen, Are there any writings by Rosita Arvigo in english? TY Alighta - Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden Monday, May 15, 2000 07:23 AM Psychic EPIs Rosita Arvigo, an herbalist trained in the Mayan traditions, describes a series of psychic external evils which are recognized in Mayan medicine by distinguishable symptoms and pulse patterns. (I'd love to feel them or at least have them explained in OM terms.) For instance, invidio, an external psychic attack by an envious person, has a pulse pattern that is distinguishable from that caused by external evil thoughts, as well as its own patterns of palpitations, an inexplicable desire to move or change jobs and a variety of other internal and external symptoms. I have not yet come across external psychic evils in Oriental Medicine, although I would be suprised if they didn't exist in a tradition that deals with balance. Any references or traditions come to mind? Karen Vaughan CreationsGarden *************************************** Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment. 'People have illness because they do not have love in their life and are not cherished'.- Sun Si Miao ______________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------ Get paid for the stuff you know! Get answers for the stuff you don't. And get $10 to spend on the site! http://click./1/2200/9/_/542111/_/958396052/ ------ Chronic Diseases Heal - Chinese Herbs Can Help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2000 Report Share Posted May 15, 2000 It is my understanding that this type of what is essentially demonology has not been part of mainstream TCM for over a thousand years. sun si miao was certainly interested in such things, but his work does not conform to the bian zheng methodology. It is likely that certain types of taoist medicine addressed this, but nothing has been translated that I know of. the tsao tsang is 10,000 volumes itself, so I would not be suprised, though. But unschuld says most taoist medicine was empirical and not bian zheng. so bian zheng herbalism was really honed by anti-demonology confucian types. while there is evidence that many confucian docs were closet taoists, I think there is little that they were many exorcists among them. I think it is unlikely that any bian zheng methodology for psychic attacks is out there. I also know that such psychic attacks have been debated in tibetan psychiatry as whether they are really internally generated psychological phenomena and not really any form of witchcraft. In which case, the syndrome should actually be understood in terms of internal emtoionally caused illness, not some form of psychic EPI. , Karen S Vaughan < creationsgarden@j...> wrote: > Rosita Arvigo, an herbalist trained in the Mayan traditions, describes a > series of psychic external evils which are recognized in Mayan medicine > by distinguishable symptoms and pulse patterns. (I'd love to feel them > or at least have them explained in OM terms.) > > For instance, invidio, an external psychic attack by an envious person, > has a pulse pattern that is distinguishable from that caused by external > evil thoughts, as well as its own patterns of palpitations, an > inexplicable desire to move or change jobs and a variety of other > internal and external symptoms. > > I have not yet come across external psychic evils in Oriental Medicine, > although I would be suprised if they didn't exist in a tradition that > deals with balance. Any references or traditions come to mind? > > Karen Vaughan > CreationsGarden@j... > *************************************** > Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment. > 'People have illness because they do not have love in their life and are > not cherished'.- Sun Si Miao > > ______________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2000 Report Share Posted May 15, 2000 Rosita Arvigo has written Rainforest Remedies, Satsun and at least one other book in English. There are tape sets of her Green Nation's Gathering workshops available from Creative Seminars in West Hurley, NY (914) 679-6885. Karen Vaughan CreationsGarden *************************************** Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment. 'People have illness because they do not have love in their life and are not cherished'.- Sun Si Miao ______________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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