Guest guest Posted May 29, 2000 Report Share Posted May 29, 2000 If we don't have a way to measure what happens to the practitioners we graduate and license, we don't know what is or is not working. If we knew, for example, that the bulk of those trained in U.S. schools were succeeding financially in 3 to 5 years, it would be easier to conclude that we were doing well testing what the schools teach, teaching what the textbooks say, and admitting to training those we do. If we knew what portion of people's incomes came from their prior training in a medical field, their training in a NASCOM school, or their continuing education, we would have a rough measure of where and what they had learned to successfully deliver. While it is true that successfully serving a clientele is not proof of efficacy, and that such measures are less than perfect, they are better than none and would go some of the way toward answering many of the questions that have been addressed in this and other discussions. A thousand dollar grant from every school, supplier and continuing education provider, would be enough to found on-going surveys of real world performance. I personally doubt that anything short of defensible trials of efficacy and cost- benefit will move T.C.M. into the mainstream of medical delivery and payment. Yet, being able to demonstrate that we are able to do what we claim to do would certainly set a standard that quickie courses would find hard to meet or dispute, considerably contributing to the field's political assets. bob Paradigm Publications www.paradigm-pubs.com 44 Linden Street Robert L. Felt Brookline MA 02445 617-738-4664 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2000 Report Share Posted May 29, 2000 Bob, With your permission, I would like to suggest that a copy of this message be posted on the bulletin boards of every institution engaged in the education of practitioners of Chinese medicine in the English speaking world. Ken - Robert L. Felt <bob Monday, May 29, 2000 10:01 AM Re: Education quality > If we don't have a way to measure what happens to the practitioners we graduate > and license, we don't know what is or is not working. If we knew, for example, > that the bulk of those trained in U.S. schools were succeeding financially in 3 to > 5 years, it would be easier to conclude that we were doing well testing what the > schools teach, teaching what the textbooks say, and admitting to training those > we do. If we knew what portion of people's incomes came from their prior > training in a medical field, their training in a NASCOM school, or their > continuing education, we would have a rough measure of where and what they > had learned to successfully deliver. While it is true that successfully serving a > clientele is not proof of efficacy, and that such measures are less than perfect, > they are better than none and would go some of the way toward answering many > of the questions that have been addressed in this and other discussions. A > thousand dollar grant from every school, supplier and continuing education > provider, would be enough to found on-going surveys of real world performance. > I personally doubt that anything short of defensible trials of efficacy and cost- > benefit will move T.C.M. into the mainstream of medical delivery and payment. > Yet, being able to demonstrate that we are able to do what we claim to do would > certainly set a standard that quickie courses would find hard to meet or dispute, > considerably contributing to the field's political assets. > > bob Paradigm Publications > www.paradigm-pubs.com 44 Linden Street > Robert L. Felt Brookline MA 02445 > 617-738-4664 > > > Chronic Diseases Heal - Chinese Herbs Can Help > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2000 Report Share Posted May 29, 2000 In a message dated 5/29/00 2:39:00 PM, yulong writes: << Bob, With your permission, I would like to suggest that a copy of this message be posted on the bulletin boards of every institution engaged in the education of practitioners of Chinese medicine in the English speaking world. Ken >> Are all of those who teach in this discussion involved in the OM Teachers organization? This could be an important discussion for that sort of thing. DAvid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2000 Report Share Posted May 29, 2000 If you are talking about the OM teachers organization that has an address in texas, I sent my membership fee in last year and never got a reply, certificate or any followup notice. It seemed to be pretty dysfunctional. Perhaps this is a different group, I hope? >In a message dated 5/29/00 2:39:00 PM, yulong writes: > ><< Bob, > >With your permission, I would like to suggest that a copy of this message >be posted on the bulletin boards of every institution engaged in the >education of practitioners of Chinese medicine in the English speaking >world. > >Ken >> > >Are all of those who teach in this discussion involved in the OM Teachers >organization? This could be an important discussion for that sort of thing. >DAvid > >------ >Old school buds here: >http://click./1/4057/9/_/542111/_/959656755/ >------ > >Chronic Diseases Heal - Chinese Herbs Can Help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2000 Report Share Posted May 29, 2000 David, What is the OM teachers organization? Ken - <acuman1 Monday, May 29, 2000 8:18 PM Re: Re: Education quality > > In a message dated 5/29/00 2:39:00 PM, yulong writes: > > << Bob, > > With your permission, I would like to suggest that a copy of this message > be posted on the bulletin boards of every institution engaged in the > education of practitioners of Chinese medicine in the English speaking > world. > > Ken >> > > Are all of those who teach in this discussion involved in the OM Teachers > organization? This could be an important discussion for that sort of thing. > DAvid > > ------ > Old school buds here: > http://click./1/4057/9/_/542111/_/959656755/ > ------ > > Chronic Diseases Heal - Chinese Herbs Can Help > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2000 Report Share Posted May 30, 2000 In a message dated 5/30/00 12:48:23 AM, zrosenberg writes: << If you are talking about the OM teachers organization that has an address in texas, I sent my membership fee in last year and never got a reply, certificate or any followup notice. It seemed to be pretty dysfunctional. Perhaps this is a different group, I hope? >> That is probably it, but they have just hired a company to do thier grunt work, so it may provide better support and organization inth efuture. Don't give up. DAVid Molony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2000 Report Share Posted May 30, 2000 Ken Rose P.O. Box 628 Pacific Palisades, CA 90272 Thanks. Ken - <acuman1 Tuesday, May 30, 2000 3:56 PM Re: Re: Education quality > > In a message dated 5/30/00 12:57:55 AM, yulong writes: > > << David, > > What is the OM teachers organization? > > Ken >> > > A grassroots org started by Sturat Watts a couple years ago. Send my your > address, and I'll get a newsletter sent to you. > DAve > > ------ > Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations. > Remember the good 'ol days > http://click./1/4053/9/_/542111/_/959727427/ > ------ > > Chronic Diseases Heal - Chinese Herbs Can Help > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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