Guest guest Posted May 29, 2000 Report Share Posted May 29, 2000 Julie When I was on the admission committee at OCOM a few years ago, the data from the Council of Colleges at the time showed that OCOM was one of a handful of schools that EVER rejected applicants or expelled students for academic failure. The acceptance rate at TCM schools for those who met the basic application requirements and could afford to pay was well over 90% nationwide, approaching 100% at many schools. This is exceedingly high for graduate school programs and unheard of for professional medical school training in any mainstream field. Again, are we a profession of geniuses or is something wrong with this picture? At the time, I believe yo san was just newly accredited and adequate data was not yet available to assess your school in this scheme. I apologize if this perhaps outdated generalization does not include yo san, but it was based on statistics gathered by the CCAOM, as far as I know. , juliej8@a... wrote: > why do you say that most schools admit virtually every applicant? That > is just not true. Nor is it true that it is unheard of for people to not make>it through TCM school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2000 Report Share Posted May 29, 2000 Julie, > As for the recent discussions on statistics, ACAOM does require schools to > keep statistics on their graduates, but if graduates move away, disappear, or > simply neglect to return questionnaires, it is hard for the schools to keep > track of them. Some schools offer rewards to return surveys, like free > Continuing Education. I don't believe the state of California requires such > statistics, at least I have not been asked to report them in three years I > have been a dean. > So, would you be interested in knowing the statistics? Bob Felt has been making this suggestion for a little while now, and I would like to see it taken seriously. I'm very curious to see who will take the lead on this. And I'm willing to help get it done. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2000 Report Share Posted May 30, 2000 Ken, OF COURSE I AM INTERESTED IN THE STATISTICS! I WOULD ALMOST PAY MONEY FOR THEM! BUT I HAVE NO MONEY! We try very hard to keep in touch with our graduates. We post opportunities on our website. We call those who we know are in town to participate in CEUs and to assist at them. It is not a matter of being willing to gather statistics! We want to know exactly what our graduates are doing! (forgive me my exclamatory expressions! I am beside myself with excitement over this issue!) Sometimes the statistics are just not available. Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2000 Report Share Posted May 30, 2000 Todd...... The ever increasing standards of the field, the council of colleges and the accreditation commission has predicated that schools have higher admissions standards. Certainly this is true for Emperor's College. Will Morris herb-t wrote: > Julie > > When I was on the admission committee at OCOM a few years ago, the > data > from the Council of Colleges at the time showed that OCOM was one of > a > handful of schools that EVER rejected applicants or expelled students > for academic failure. The acceptance rate at TCM schools for those > who > met the basic application requirements and could afford to pay was > well > over 90% nationwide, approaching 100% at many schools. This is > exceedingly high for graduate school programs and unheard of for > professional medical school training in any mainstream field. Again, > are we a profession of geniuses or is something wrong with this > picture? > > At the time, I believe yo san was just newly accredited and adequate > data was not yet available to assess your school in this scheme. I > apologize if this perhaps outdated generalization does not include yo > san, but it was based on statistics gathered by the CCAOM, as far as > I > know. > > > , juliej8@a... wrote: > > why do you say that most schools admit virtually every > applicant? That > > is just not true. Nor is it true that it is unheard of for people > to not make>it through TCM school. > > ------ > Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations. > Remember the good 'ol days > http://click./1/4053/9/_/542111/_/959644357/ > ------ > > Chronic Diseases Heal - Chinese Herbs Can Help Attachment: vcard [not shown] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2000 Report Share Posted May 30, 2000 A Modest Suggestion. Given that the data contained in Todd's recent posts is generally accurate, there is a crisis in the profession. It would seem to me that it is in the best interest of any school to be at the vanguard of defining and dealing with this crisis. The revelation of such information can be expected to have a dramatic effect. For any school, it seems that now is the time for decisions to be made that might determine whether this effect is to be dramatically positive or dramatically negative. Bob Felt has suggested that with a $1,000 contribution from each of the schools and other providers of Chinese medical education a survey could be conducted to get at a clearer picture of what is really going on. This would provide a foundation on which future plans could be built. There is a line from the Yi Jing that should be taken to heart here: whoever comes too late meets with misfortune. Shall we organize an initiative to get such a survey done? Ken - <juliej8 Tuesday, May 30, 2000 9:14 AM Re: admission standards > Ken, > > OF COURSE I AM INTERESTED IN THE STATISTICS! I WOULD ALMOST PAY MONEY FOR > THEM! BUT I HAVE NO MONEY! > > We try very hard to keep in touch with our graduates. We post opportunities > on our website. We call those who we know are in town to participate in CEUs > and to assist at them. It is not a matter of being willing to gather > statistics! We want to know exactly what our graduates are doing! (forgive me > my exclamatory expressions! I am beside myself with excitement over this > issue!) Sometimes the statistics are just not available. > > Julie > > ------ > Was the salesman clueless? Productopia has the answers. > http://click./1/4633/9/_/542111/_/959703300/ > ------ > > Chronic Diseases Heal - Chinese Herbs Can Help > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2000 Report Share Posted May 30, 2000 Hi Will, What is the rate of admission:acceptance at Emperor's? Does Emperor's track its graduates to an extent where you have a statistic at your fingertips that shows what percentage of Emperor's grads remain in practice 3 -5 years after graduation and licensure? Ken - Will <will Tuesday, May 30, 2000 10:36 AM Re: admission standards ...... > > The ever increasing standards of the field, the council of colleges and the > accreditation commission has predicated that schools have higher admissions > standards. Certainly this is true for Emperor's College. > > Will Morris > > herb-t wrote: > > > Julie > > > > When I was on the admission committee at OCOM a few years ago, the > > data > > from the Council of Colleges at the time showed that OCOM was one of > > a > > handful of schools that EVER rejected applicants or expelled students > > for academic failure. The acceptance rate at TCM schools for those > > who > > met the basic application requirements and could afford to pay was > > well > > over 90% nationwide, approaching 100% at many schools. This is > > exceedingly high for graduate school programs and unheard of for > > professional medical school training in any mainstream field. Again, > > are we a profession of geniuses or is something wrong with this > > picture? > > > > At the time, I believe yo san was just newly accredited and adequate > > data was not yet available to assess your school in this scheme. I > > apologize if this perhaps outdated generalization does not include yo > > san, but it was based on statistics gathered by the CCAOM, as far as > > I > > know. > > > > > > > , juliej8@a... wrote: > > > why do you say that most schools admit virtually every > > applicant? That > > > is just not true. Nor is it true that it is unheard of for people > > to not make>it through TCM school. > > > > ------ > > Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations. > > Remember the good 'ol days > > http://click./1/4053/9/_/542111/_/959644357/ > > ------ > > > > Chronic Diseases Heal - Chinese Herbs Can Help > > > > ------ > Great savings and lots more -- beMANY! > http://click./1/4114/9/_/542111/_/959707375/ > ------ > > Chronic Diseases Heal - Chinese Herbs Can Help > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2000 Report Share Posted May 30, 2000 Hi Ken, We refuse 10% of our applicants. Random samples reveal approximately 75% of our graduates are in clinical practice at the 3 year mark. Will Cosmic Dragon LLC wrote: > Hi Will, > > What is the rate of admission:acceptance at Emperor's? > Does Emperor's track its graduates to an extent where > you have a statistic at your fingertips that shows what > percentage of Emperor's grads remain in practice 3 -5 > years after graduation and licensure? > > Ken > - > Will <will > > Tuesday, May 30, 2000 10:36 AM > Re: admission standards > > ...... > > > > The ever increasing standards of the field, the council of colleges and > the > > accreditation commission has predicated that schools have higher > admissions > > standards. Certainly this is true for Emperor's College. > > > > Will Morris > > > > herb-t wrote: > > > > > Julie > > > > > > When I was on the admission committee at OCOM a few years ago, the > > > data > > > from the Council of Colleges at the time showed that OCOM was one of > > > a > > > handful of schools that EVER rejected applicants or expelled students > > > for academic failure. The acceptance rate at TCM schools for those > > > who > > > met the basic application requirements and could afford to pay was > > > well > > > over 90% nationwide, approaching 100% at many schools. This is > > > exceedingly high for graduate school programs and unheard of for > > > professional medical school training in any mainstream field. Again, > > > are we a profession of geniuses or is something wrong with this > > > picture? > > > > > > At the time, I believe yo san was just newly accredited and adequate > > > data was not yet available to assess your school in this scheme. I > > > apologize if this perhaps outdated generalization does not include yo > > > san, but it was based on statistics gathered by the CCAOM, as far as > > > I > > > know. > > > > > > > > > > > , juliej8@a... wrote: > > > > why do you say that most schools admit virtually every > > > applicant? That > > > > is just not true. Nor is it true that it is unheard of for people > > > to not make>it through TCM school. > > > > > > ------ > > > Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations. > > > Remember the good 'ol days > > > http://click./1/4053/9/_/542111/_/959644357/ > > > ------ > > > > > > Chronic Diseases Heal - Chinese Herbs Can Help > > > > > > > > ------ > > Great savings and lots more -- beMANY! > > http://click./1/4114/9/_/542111/_/959707375/ > > ------ > > > > Chronic Diseases Heal - Chinese Herbs Can Help > > > > ------ > Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations. > Remember the good 'ol days > http://click./1/4053/9/_/542111/_/959709346/ > ------ > > Chronic Diseases Heal - Chinese Herbs Can Help Attachment: vcard [not shown] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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