Guest guest Posted May 31, 2000 Report Share Posted May 31, 2000 I have previously remarked that there seem to be two schools of thought here. For now, I will call one group the 'purists' and the other the 'eclectics'. Naturally, being a practitioner primarily of Traditional East Asian Medicine, my approach to contemplating and defining a patient's dis-ease is from within this framework. However, being of open mind, I can't quite accept that any system of medicine has a monopoly on the Truth. Being a practitioner, my greatest concern is for the well-being of my patients and if I can aid this process by utilizing other methods, I certainly do so. I have treated many children for a variety of conditions. Often homeopathy is a wonderful means of restoring homeostasis. It is painless, inexpensive, convenient (with remarkable patient compliance) and effective. There are many reasons for wanting to keep the education of practitioners of Chinese medicine pure. We are not, however Chinese. Patients in China are often treated daily over the course of weeks. How many practitioners outside of China have the ability to see patients as frequently? I find that costs, transportation and busy work schedules prohibit this. How many practitioners are the sole providers of healthcare for their patients? Doesn't it make sense to seek answers in as many arenas as possible? I am not suggesting that homeopathy or other modalities be incorporated into TCM. [i might refer readers to an interesting book by Manning and Vanrenen entitled _Bioenergetic Medicines East and West: Acupuncture and Homeopathy, in this regard.] I am stating that no single system of medicine has all the answers. I find it beneficial to patients to have a broad a field of understanding of as many systems as possible. For instance, I find antibiotics to be quite useful in the treatment of cystitis and have no reservations of referring patients to their medical doctors. On the other hand, I find the most children with otitis media are unnecessarily given antibiotics, which not only do not address the problem (as 80% of ear infections are of a viral nature) but destroy the friendly flora in the colon. Just as many Western practitioners are seeking understanding of non-conventional modalities, we too should be open to other ways. Such knowledge benefits us all. This is not to say the we should not further our attempt to both refine and expand our knowledge of traditional Chinese medicine. I am grateful that their are those in our profession who devote themselves solely to a more complete understanding. I gain from their efforts. But personally, I choose not to be a purist. luke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2000 Report Share Posted May 31, 2000 I think purism versus eclecticism misses the point. My concern is portrayal and training. No one has debated the value of homeopathy (a worthy subject, but not for this list, please!), but rather questioned whether it should be portrayed to our patients as part of chinese medicine by those who have no Formal training. If someone feels like saying " hi, TCM isn't working for you. I was never trained in homeopathy, but I have used it successfully on cases like yours. do you want to give it a try? " , more power to you. Anything less is deceptive. Yes, it may work, but you know I think I could make a pretty good judgement call on when to use antibiotics, too. Perhaps even a better call than MD's who routinely prescribe such drugs 20X as often as their european counterparts for things like the common viral colds. Of course, this is illegal, but what if its the right thing to do from my moral position and for my pateints' pocketbooks. Maybe I could mailorder the drugs over the internet for my patient or show them how to do it themselves. In modern china, antibiotics are used by TCM doctors, so this seems more in line than homeopathy as an adjunct. Yes, I am being purposely ludicrous to make a point. If your patient needs a specialty therapy outside your formal training, why not refer to an expert? Isn't that what is really in the patient's best interes? I feel that hidden in the subtext of this discussion is our profession's most serious problem. We are market driven to provide one stop shopping for our patients, even when this is not an effective way to practice medicine. If people's livelihoods did not depend on this market orientation, I think we would see much less of this type of debate. I find it hard to believe that people might be arguing that after having mastered acupuncture, tui na and herbs, someone who has devoted his whole professional life to homeopathy is not better qualified to give treatment in this area than you. Of course, I suppose all this is moot if you are the only game in town. In a state like Oregon, there are more professional options than you can shake a stick at. In Indiana, for example, there are really no options at all. Should an Indiana px branch out to fill this void, then? Economically, yes, ethically, well you make that call. , " Luke Klincewicz " < l.klincewicz@w...> wrote: But personally, I > choose not to be a purist. > > luke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2000 Report Share Posted May 31, 2000 Hello Thank you for your comments. Let me note that I often refer patients to medical professionals who are better trained in specific fields. None of us can boast of a 100% cure rate. In regard to the patient case which I have presented at this site, I immediately referred her to an MD, who is also trained in homeopathy and anthroposophy. This patient is taking 5 medications and has not been monitored for approx. 1 year. I am not proficient in the allopathic pharmacopoeia, and am not licensed to prescribe. But I am proficient to note that there may be a problem in this regard. I am also not licensed to do phlebotomy. This not mean that I can't benefit from the information gathered from lab results. I was fortunate to work in a clinic that included MD's, DO's, DC's, nutitionists, pscychologists, numerous massage therapists and several practitioners of Oriental medicine. Case conferences were a thrill. This environment led us all to expand our horizons and to at least learn the language(s) of the various types of medicine. Such knowledge is invaluable. I did not intend to suggest that one should practice what one does not have training in. Regarding the economics, I assume that most practitioners are ethical and are primarily concerned with helping to restore their patients' health. luke <herb-t@s...> Wed May 31, 2000 4:46pm Re: Incorporation of homeopathy I think purism versus eclecticism misses the point. My concern is portrayal and training. No one has debated the value of homeopathy (a worthy subject, but not for this list, please!), but rather questioned whether it should be portrayed to our patients as part of chinese medicine by those who have no Formal training. If someone feels like saying " hi, TCM isn't working for you. I was never trained in homeopathy, but I have used it successfully on cases like yours. do you want to give it a try? " , more power to you. Anything less is deceptive. Yes, it may work, but you know I think I could make a pretty good judgement call on when to use antibiotics, too. Perhaps even a better call than MD's who routinely prescribe such drugs 20X as often as their european counterparts for things like the common viral colds. Of course, this is illegal, but what if its the right thing to do from my moral position and for my pateints' pocketbooks. Maybe I could mailorder the drugs over the internet for my patient or show them how to do it themselves. In modern china, antibiotics are used by TCM doctors, so this seems more in line than homeopathy as an adjunct. Yes, I am being purposely ludicrous to make a point. If your patient needs a specialty therapy outside your formal training, why not refer to an expert? Isn't that what is really in the patient's best interes? I feel that hidden in the subtext of this discussion is our profession's most serious problem. We are market driven to provide one stop shopping for our patients, even when this is not an effective way to practice medicine. If people's livelihoods did not depend on this market orientation, I think we would see much less of this type of debate. I find it hard to believe that people might be arguing that after having mastered acupuncture, tui na and herbs, someone who has devoted his whole professional life to homeopathy is not better qualified to give treatment in this area than you. Of course, I suppose all this is moot if you are the only game in town. In a state like Oregon, there are more professional options than you can shake a stick at. In Indiana, for example, there are really no options at all. Should an Indiana px branch out to fill this void, then? Economically, yes, ethically, well you make that call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2000 Report Share Posted June 3, 2000 Luke, Very well stated, thank you for your elegant prose, and your clinical and personal insights on the subject. Bruce ------------------------------(original posting follows)------ << Subj: Incorporation of homeopathy 05/31/2000 1:31:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time l.klincewicz (Luke Klincewicz) Reply-to: <A HREF= " " > @</A> () I have previously remarked that there seem to be two schools of thought here. For now, I will call one group the 'purists' and the other the 'eclectics'. Naturally, being a practitioner primarily of Traditional East Asian Medicine, my approach to contemplating and defining a patient's dis-ease is from within this framework. However, being of open mind, I can't quite accept that any system of medicine has a monopoly on the Truth. Being a practitioner, my greatest concern is for the well-being of my patients and if I can aid this process by utilizing other methods, I certainly do so. I have treated many children for a variety of conditions. Often homeopathy is a wonderful means of restoring homeostasis. It is painless, inexpensive, convenient (with remarkable patient compliance) and effective. There are many reasons for wanting to keep the education of practitioners of Chinese medicine pure. We are not, however Chinese. Patients in China are often treated daily over the course of weeks. How many practitioners outside of China have the ability to see patients as frequently? I find that costs, transportation and busy work schedules prohibit this. How many practitioners are the sole providers of healthcare for their patients? Doesn't it make sense to seek answers in as many arenas as possible? I am not suggesting that homeopathy or other modalities be incorporated into TCM. [i might refer readers to an interesting book by Manning and Vanrenen entitled _Bioenergetic Medicines East and West: Acupuncture and Homeopathy, in this regard.] I am stating that no single system of medicine has all the answers. I find it beneficial to patients to have a broad a field of understanding of as many systems as possible. For instance, I find antibiotics to be quite useful in the treatment of cystitis and have no reservations of referring patients to their medical doctors. On the other hand, I find the most children with otitis media are unnecessarily given antibiotics, which not only do not address the problem (as 80% of ear infections are of a viral nature) but destroy the friendly flora in the colon. Just as many Western practitioners are seeking understanding of non-conventional modalities, we too should be open to other ways. Such knowledge benefits us all. This is not to say the we should not further our attempt to both refine and expand our knowledge of traditional Chinese medicine. I am grateful that their are those in our profession who devote themselves solely to a more complete understanding. I gain from their efforts. But personally, I choose not to be a purist. luke ------ Accurate impartial advice on everything from laptops to table saws. http://click./1/4634/9/_/542111/_/959805007/ ------ Chronic Diseases Heal - Chinese Herbs Can Help ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: <sentto-201013-1328-959805007-GRCanning=aol.com (AT) returns (DOT) > Received: from rly-yc05.mx.aol.com (rly-yc05.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.37]) by air-yc02.mail.aol.com (v73.13) with ESMTP; Wed, 31 May 2000 16:31:41 -0400 Received: from hl. (hl. [208.50.144.86]) by rly-yc05.mx.aol.com (v74.10) with ESMTP; Wed, 31 May 2000 16:30:59 -0400 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-201013-1328-959805007-GRCanning=aol.com (AT) returns (DOT) Received: from [10.1.10.36] by hl. with NNFMP; 31 May 2000 20:30:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 12365 invoked from network); 31 May 2000 20:30:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 31 May 2000 20:30:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) (204.127.131.51) by mta3 with SMTP; 31 May 2000 20:30:05 -0000 Received: from LukeKlincewicz ([12.75.161.29]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000531203004.LEEL9011.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@LukeKlincewicz> for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 20:30:04 +0000 Message-ID: <000701bfcb3f$51e1e480$1da14b0c@LukeKlincewicz> " " X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 " Luke Klincewicz " <l.klincewicz MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list ; contact -owner Delivered-mailing list Precedence: bulk List-Un: <-> Wed, 31 May 2000 15:32:16 -0500 Incorporation of homeopathy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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