Guest guest Posted June 7, 2000 Report Share Posted June 7, 2000 I'm also curious to discover whether most American practitioners of herbal medicine (Chinese or other) rely on patent formulas or whether they prescribe individually, using custom Chinese herbal formulations. [One suggestion, Todd: Has Subhuti Dharmananda been invited to this group? He is a truly dedicated practitioner and scientist, and is a rich source of information. We might all benefit from his comments.] luke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2000 Report Share Posted June 8, 2000 I hardly ever use patients ..either raw herbs to boil up or freeze dried granules if they won't cook them.(which is about 50%) Heiko Lade Registered Acupuncturist / Chinese Herbalist 2 Jenkins St. Green Island, Dunedin New Zealand Tel: (03) 488 4086, Fax: (03) 488 4012 http://www.lade.com/heiko Email: heiko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2000 Report Share Posted June 8, 2000 In a message dated 6/8/00 7:11:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tcm2 writes: << I, too, would love to see Subhuti Dharmananda participate in this forum. However, I doubt he will. I'm sure he is very busy, and he would probably be perceived as too scathing for many of the group. But for those of you who haven't already heard/read about it, his Institute for Traditional Medicine is a shining star in the American TCM scene! >> Could he be more scathing than Ken Rose? (Ken, said with affection! Your commentaries on TCM Debased were wicked!) Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2000 Report Share Posted June 8, 2000 I do not use patent medicine at all except for Peach Kernel Pills, which I find very effective. I use customized raw herbal decoctions for most of my patients (if they get herbs), and I find that all but a small percentage will take them. I do not use herbs to " fill in the gaps " because I can't do acupuncture often enough. I feel that once a week acupuncture works for most people, but I have some who will come twice a week if they are very highly motivated. I do have some patients who take herbs only, and while it is not " lucrative " , it is effective. Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2000 Report Share Posted June 8, 2000 Luke, Although results become less satisfactory with less frequent treatments, 1-2X a week seems to be all that the busy American is willing to come. If a patient of mine is very very ill they will make the committment to come daily (ie shingles), but that is more of the exception. It truly is dramatic to watch sick people treated daily, though. One can really see why the research reports from China are so glowing. I suspect that for most of you, as for me, herbs are the way to fill in the gap in our acupuncture treatments. Though we all know that in China herbs are used preferentially, very few Americans would come to see an herbalist only, and if they did --- we'd starve. It's not very lucrative. So we market ourselves as acupuncturists and add the herbs in to cover the fact that we can only treat weekly, in most cases. I usually used granulized herbs which I custom make for the patient. Occassional American patents (7-Forests, etc), but most of my patients are news-savvy and distrust anything made in China for fear of pharmaceutical tampering. I, too, would love to see Subhuti Dharmananda participate in this forum. However, I doubt he will. I'm sure he is very busy, and he would probably be perceived as too scathing for many of the group. But for those of you who haven't already heard/read about it, his Institute for Traditional Medicine is a shining star in the American TCM scene! Sincerely, Mark Reese > [Original Message] > Luke Klincewicz <l.klincewicz > > 6/7/00 11:03:41 PM > Patent Medicine > > I'm also curious to discover whether most American practitioners of herbal > medicine (Chinese or other) rely on patent formulas or whether they > prescribe individually, using custom Chinese herbal formulations. > > [One suggestion, Todd: Has Subhuti Dharmananda been invited to this group? > He is a truly dedicated practitioner and scientist, and is a rich source of > information. We might all benefit from his comments.] > > luke > > > > > ------ > Old school buds here: > http://click./1/4057/9/_/542111/_/960437018/ > ------ > > Chronic Diseases Heal - Chinese Herbs Can Help > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2000 Report Share Posted June 8, 2000 I don't use patents very much. Although they appear to be a great value (cost wise), they are really untrustworth. There have been too many instances of label fraud (pharmaceutical ingredients and sometimes discontinued and dangerous ones at that) and contamination with heavy metals. In addition, they are limited in their modification and make the mind of the practitioner who exclusively relies upon them weak like a bowl of mush. (I don't want to offend those who use patents every now and then for convenience -as I do. Let me stress the word " exclusively " in the preceeding statement). Thaddeus Jacobs, N. D. - Luke Klincewicz <l.klincewicz Wednesday, June 07, 2000 9:06 PM Patent Medicine > I'm also curious to discover whether most American practitioners of herbal > medicine (Chinese or other) rely on patent formulas or whether they > prescribe individually, using custom Chinese herbal formulations. > > [One suggestion, Todd: Has Subhuti Dharmananda been invited to this group? > He is a truly dedicated practitioner and scientist, and is a rich source of > information. We might all benefit from his comments.] > > luke > > > > > ------ > Old school buds here: > http://click./1/4057/9/_/542111/_/960437018/ > ------ > > Chronic Diseases Heal - Chinese Herbs Can Help > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2000 Report Share Posted June 8, 2000 I don't use Chinese patents, but I often use capsules from Lotus Herbs or tablets from Golden Flower. I also use Mayway's Plum Flower versions of Pill Curing and Pe Min Kan Wan occasionally. Any opinion on Plum Flower herbs? Catherine - Thaddeus Jacobs Thursday, June 08, 2000 11:54 AM Re: Patent Medicine I don't use patents very much. Although they appear to be a great value(cost wise), they are really untrustworth. There have been too manyinstances of label fraud (pharmaceutical ingredients and sometimesdiscontinued and dangerous ones at that) and contamination with heavymetals. In addition, they are limited in their modification and make themind of the practitioner who exclusively relies upon them weak like a bowlof mush. (I don't want to offend those who use patents every now and thenfor convenience -as I do. Let me stress the word "exclusively" in thepreceeding statement).Thaddeus Jacobs, N. D.-Luke Klincewicz <l.klincewicz Wednesday, June 07, 2000 9:06 PM Patent Medicine> I'm also curious to discover whether most American practitioners of herbal> medicine (Chinese or other) rely on patent formulas or whether they> prescribe individually, using custom Chinese herbal formulations.>> [One suggestion, Todd: Has Subhuti Dharmananda been invited to thisgroup?> He is a truly dedicated practitioner and scientist, and is a rich sourceof> information. We might all benefit from his comments.]>> luke>>>>> ------> Old school buds here:> http://click./1/4057/9/_/542111/_/960437018/> ------>> Chronic Diseases Heal - Chinese Herbs Can Help> Chronic Diseases Heal - Chinese Herbs Can Help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2000 Report Share Posted June 11, 2000 In a message dated 6/8/00 5:44:26 PM, chemenway writes: << I don't use Chinese patents, but I often use capsules from Lotus Herbs or tablets from Golden Flower. I also use Mayway's Plum Flower versions of Pill Curing and Pe Min Kan Wan occasionally. Any opinion on Plum Flower herbs? >> They are patents, just as Golden Flower and ITM's pills are. There are just differing types of quality control (US GMP, Australian GMP, etc), and different prices. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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