Guest guest Posted June 15, 2000 Report Share Posted June 15, 2000 It is with some concern that there have been references on this site to the use of Pe Min Kan Wan (PinYin: Bi Min Gan Wan)produced by the Fo Shan United Drug Manufactury. It is indeed an excellent patent medicine for rhinitis, sinusitis etc but it has one major problem. While not listed on the packet, according to the " Clinical Handbook of Chinese Prepared Medicines " by Chun-Han Zhu (p55),it contains Xiong Dan Zhi ie Bear's Bile as one of its ingredients (amount not specified) Would anybody be able to verify this or have any further information? If this is correct(and given the fact that animal products are sometimes omitted from the list of ingredients on the packaging of patents, I therefore have to assume that Xiong Dan Zhi is included), I would strongly urge all practititioners to cease their use of Pe Min Kan Wan. The collection of Bears Bile in China is ( & I deliberately choose my words here) a cruel and barbaric practice that cannot be defended on any grounds. As was shown here in Australia several years ago(on an American " 60 Minutes " program), the bears are subjected to a tortuous confinement in a cage for several years where they have a surgical implant inserted into their gallbladder to drain the bile (often under the most unhygenic of conditions). The bears are poorly looked after, exhibit behaviour that indicates great distress and pain and are basically driven crazy. The chinese authorities that were interviewed promised they would improve their treatment of the bears but I suggest that all that would have happened was to drive this practice more underground. I would welcome any further comments on this issue Derek High Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2000 Report Share Posted June 15, 2000 yes definately boycott the product if there is a chance it contains bear products.The Chinese materia medica has 5000 herbal/mineral substances available ...surely one of those herbs can do what bear gall bile does!!! I saw some pretty sad animals just in the zoo in China .....a tiger in a cage the size of a toilet .....so I hate to imagine those bears. Heiko Lade Registered Acupuncturist / Chinese Herbalist 2 Jenkins St. Green Island, Dunedin New Zealand Tel: (03) 488 4086, Fax: (03) 488 4012 http://www.lade.com/heiko Email: heiko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2000 Report Share Posted June 15, 2000 This is indeed a horrifying situation. But I myself stopped using this patent over fifteen years ago when I suspected that the 24% 'inert ingredients' might contain pharmaceuticals at well. This fear has been confirmed by the California FDB. >It is with some concern that there have been references on this site >to the use of Pe Min Kan Wan (PinYin: Bi Min Gan Wan)produced by the >Fo Shan United Drug Manufactury. It is indeed an excellent patent >medicine for rhinitis, sinusitis etc but it has one major problem. >While not listed on the packet, according to the " Clinical Handbook of >Chinese Prepared Medicines " by Chun-Han Zhu (p55),it contains Xiong >Dan Zhi ie Bear's Bile as one of its ingredients (amount not >specified) > >Would anybody be able to verify this or have any further information? > >If this is correct(and given the fact that animal products are >sometimes omitted from the list of ingredients on the packaging of >patents, I therefore have to assume that Xiong Dan Zhi is included), >I would strongly urge all practititioners to cease their use of Pe >Min Kan Wan. > >The collection of Bears Bile in China is ( & I deliberately choose my >words here) a cruel and barbaric practice that cannot be defended on >any grounds. As was shown here in Australia several years ago(on an >American " 60 Minutes " program), the bears are subjected to a tortuous >confinement in a cage for several years where they have a surgical >implant inserted into their gallbladder to drain the bile (often >under the most unhygenic of conditions). The bears are poorly looked >after, exhibit behaviour that indicates great distress and pain and >are basically driven crazy. > >The chinese authorities that were interviewed promised they would >improve their treatment of the bears but I suggest that all that >would have happened was to drive this practice more underground. > >I would welcome any further comments on this issue > > >Derek High > > > > >------ >Rate your local doctor or dentist for a chance to win $5,000! >Click here NOW to register to win. >http://click./1/5598/9/_/542111/_/961123427/ >------ > >Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare >practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics >specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of >professional services, including board approved online continuing >education. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2000 Report Share Posted June 15, 2000 Derek thank you for the information. Would you suggest a good formula for dealing with life in a honorable and respectfully manner while witnessing the manifestations of so many cruelties? I have also witnessed many good intentions make conditions worse. Karma, Ed Kasper L.Ac., Santa Cruz, California derekh [derekh] Thursday, June 15, 2000 7:43 PM Pe Min Kan Wan It is with some concern that there have been references on this site to the use of Pe Min Kan Wan (PinYin: Bi Min Gan Wan)produced by the Fo Shan United Drug Manufactury. It is indeed an excellent patent medicine for rhinitis, sinusitis etc but it has one major problem. While not listed on the packet, according to the " Clinical Handbook of Chinese Prepared Medicines " by Chun-Han Zhu (p55),it contains Xiong Dan Zhi ie Bear's Bile as one of its ingredients (amount not specified) Would anybody be able to verify this or have any further information? If this is correct(and given the fact that animal products are sometimes omitted from the list of ingredients on the packaging of patents, I therefore have to assume that Xiong Dan Zhi is included), I would strongly urge all practititioners to cease their use of Pe Min Kan Wan. The collection of Bears Bile in China is ( & I deliberately choose my words here) a cruel and barbaric practice that cannot be defended on any grounds. As was shown here in Australia several years ago(on an American " 60 Minutes " program), the bears are subjected to a tortuous confinement in a cage for several years where they have a surgical implant inserted into their gallbladder to drain the bile (often under the most unhygenic of conditions). The bears are poorly looked after, exhibit behaviour that indicates great distress and pain and are basically driven crazy. The chinese authorities that were interviewed promised they would improve their treatment of the bears but I suggest that all that would have happened was to drive this practice more underground. I would welcome any further comments on this issue Derek High Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2000 Report Share Posted June 16, 2000 HappyHerbalist.com <Health Thursday, June 15, 2000 8:32 PM RE: Pe Min Kan Wan >Derek thank you for the information. >Would you suggest a good formula for dealing with life in a honorable and >respectfully manner while witnessing the manifestations of so many >cruelties? I have also witnessed many good intentions make conditions worse. > >Karma, > >Ed Kasper L.Ac., Santa Cruz, California > > >derekh [derekh] >Thursday, June 15, 2000 7:43 PM > > Pe Min Kan Wan > > >Dear Ed 'Fraid not, you are just going to have to work that one out yourself. I know that ethics can be a minefield but if practitioners are not the appropriate people to consider the ethical prescribing of Chinese medicinals then who is? Derek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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