Guest guest Posted June 16, 2000 Report Share Posted June 16, 2000 SPAMIT! I HATE SPAM! This is a link to a website advertisement for an immune system " retraining " supplement. Don't waste your time. Perhaps in the future, for those of you who sincerely believe a particular product is of use you should provide the courtesy of discussing WHY you believe this to be so. I interpret this this weblink behavior as a slick way to spam yourself into a group of professionals. Professional behavior warrants and ethically binds an individual to support one's position. The Chinese medicine profession is one that is built on science and not belief. Support your statement and don't waste my time nor others' in this group! Thaddeus Jacobs, N.D., L.Ac. - jwhelp <jwhelp Thursday, June 15, 2000 3:23 PM Re: Fibromyalgia > Everyone with Fibromalgia needs to check out the website > www.4liferesearch.com/slancaster > > there are amazing results from this product. > - > " Christina Jackson " <info > > Friday, June 09, 2000 5:45 PM > Re: Fibromyalgia > > > > I have treated allot of fibromyalgia patients and I also agree that > treating > > based on their TCM diagnosis constitutionally has been much more > effective > > than uning qi or blood moving pain treatments. I have seen few similar > > patterns. Everyone is so different. I do see some trends of damp and > blood > > deficiency here in the Northwest. What I have found is that strong > > treatments don't seem to work for me. I use few needles, small gauge, > > little stimulation or short treatment times. I have found that what seems > > to be the biggest marker of whether they will improve or not is 1. > exercise: > > they must do it if it only means small amounts at first. I have a great > > yoga instructor who works well with chronic pain who has done miracles > with > > my patients 2. Are they going to deal with the emotional baggage? Are > they > > in therapy or do they have some constructive way to work with this part > of > > their lives? If they are in denial, hopefully acupuncture will help bring > > them to a place where they can look at some of these things. If they are > not > > willing or ready to go there, than I don't seem to get much farther than > > pain management. I treat there sleep problems and if I'm not helping, I > > believe there is a time and place for sleep medications. I have seen > sleep > > alone turn some cases around. Herbally I have used for the appropriate > > diagnoses: baishao gancao tang, xiao yao san, ge gan tang modified > without > > the mahuang, and chase wind penetrate bone (golden flowers version of > Zhui > > Feng Tou Gu Wan). All these have been successful for me with various > > patients and other patients seem to get worse on any herbs, but > acupuncture > > alone works well. In my opinion, lifestyle, emotional examination and > > stress management are key. I feel like half our job with fibromyalgia is > > education. > > > > Christina Jackson, L.Ac. > > Tiger Mountain Acupuncture > > Issaquah, WA 98027 > > 425-557-9519 > > - > > heiko <heiko > > > > Thursday, June 08, 2000 3:11 AM > > Re: Fibromyalgia > > > > > > > of all the fibro cases that I have seen ........there is always a > > component > > > of grief with a history of death of a close spouse /child etc .I > actually > > > forget about there aches and pains ....presribe according to other > general > > > symptoms eg blood stasis /xu etc and points like lu 7 to express grief > > etc. > > > > > > Heiko Lade > > > Registered Acupuncturist / Chinese Herbalist > > > 2 Jenkins St. > > > Green Island, Dunedin > > > New Zealand > > > Tel: (03) 488 4086, Fax: (03) 488 4012 > > > http://www.lade.com/heiko > > > Email: heiko > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > Take 20 friends to Vegas on New Year's courtesy of Expedia.com. > > > Win the airfare, a suite at Bellagio and $15,000. Or win 2 roundtrip > > > tickets anywhere in the U.S. given away daily. Click for a chance to > win. > > > http://click./1/5294/9/_/542111/_/960459363/ > > > ------ > > > > > > Chronic Diseases Heal - Chinese Herbs Can Help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > Free @Backup service! Click here for your free trial of @Backup. > > @Backup is the most convenient way to securely protect and access > > your files online. Try it now and receive 300 MyPoints. > > http://click./1/4935/9/_/542111/_/960597433/ > > ------ > > > > Chronic Diseases Heal - Chinese Herbs Can Help > > > > > > > ------ > Missing old school friends? Find them here: > http://click./1/5534/9/_/542111/_/961100215/ > ------ > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2000 Report Share Posted June 16, 2000 the poster has been d and all new members will now be moderated until I am sure they are not slime. sorry. todd , " Thaddeus Jacobs " < drtjacobs@d...> wrote: > SPAMIT! I HATE SPAM! > This is a link to a website advertisement for an immune system " retraining " > supplement. Don't waste your time. Perhaps in the future, for those of you > who sincerely believe a particular product is of use you should provide the > courtesy of discussing WHY you believe this to be so. I interpret this this > weblink behavior as a slick way to spam yourself into a group of > professionals. Professional behavior warrants and ethically binds an > individual to support one's position. The Chinese medicine profession is > one that is built on science and not belief. Support your statement and > don't waste my time nor others' in this group! > Thaddeus Jacobs, N.D., L.Ac. > - > jwhelp <jwhelp@n...> > > Thursday, June 15, 2000 3:23 PM > Re: Fibromyalgia > > > > Everyone with Fibromalgia needs to check out the website > > www.4liferesearch.com/slancaster > > > > there are amazing results from this product. > > - > > " Christina Jackson " <info@t...> > > > > Friday, June 09, 2000 5:45 PM > > Re: Fibromyalgia > > > > > > > I have treated allot of fibromyalgia patients and I also agree that > > treating > > > based on their TCM diagnosis constitutionally has been much more > > effective > > > than uning qi or blood moving pain treatments. I have seen few similar > > > patterns. Everyone is so different. I do see some trends of damp and > > blood > > > deficiency here in the Northwest. What I have found is that strong > > > treatments don't seem to work for me. I use few needles, small gauge, > > > little stimulation or short treatment times. I have found that what > seems > > > to be the biggest marker of whether they will improve or not is 1. > > exercise: > > > they must do it if it only means small amounts at first. I have a great > > > yoga instructor who works well with chronic pain who has done miracles > > with > > > my patients 2. Are they going to deal with the emotional baggage? Are > > they > > > in therapy or do they have some constructive way to work with this part > > of > > > their lives? If they are in denial, hopefully acupuncture will help > bring > > > them to a place where they can look at some of these things. If they are > > not > > > willing or ready to go there, than I don't seem to get much farther > than > > > pain management. I treat there sleep problems and if I'm not helping, I > > > believe there is a time and place for sleep medications. I have seen > > sleep > > > alone turn some cases around. Herbally I have used for the > appropriate > > > diagnoses: baishao gancao tang, xiao yao san, ge gan tang modified > > without > > > the mahuang, and chase wind penetrate bone (golden flowers version of > > Zhui > > > Feng Tou Gu Wan). All these have been successful for me with various > > > patients and other patients seem to get worse on any herbs, but > > acupuncture > > > alone works well. In my opinion, lifestyle, emotional examination and > > > stress management are key. I feel like half our job with fibromyalgia > is > > > education. > > > > > > Christina Jackson, L.Ac. > > > Tiger Mountain Acupuncture > > > Issaquah, WA 98027 > > > 425-557-9519 > > > - > > > heiko <heiko@l...> > > > > > > Thursday, June 08, 2000 3:11 AM > > > Re: Fibromyalgia > > > > > > > > > > of all the fibro cases that I have seen ........there is always a > > > component > > > > of grief with a history of death of a close spouse /child etc ..I > > actually > > > > forget about there aches and pains ....presribe according to other > > general > > > > symptoms eg blood stasis /xu etc and points like lu 7 to express grief > > > etc. > > > > > > > > Heiko Lade > > > > Registered Acupuncturist / Chinese Herbalist > > > > 2 Jenkins St. > > > > Green Island, Dunedin > > > > New Zealand > > > > Tel: (03) 488 4086, Fax: (03) 488 4012 > > > > http://www.lade.com/heiko > > > > Email: heiko@l... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------- -------------------------- > > > > Take 20 friends to Vegas on New Year's courtesy of Expedia.com. > > > > Win the airfare, a suite at Bellagio and $15,000. Or win 2 roundtrip > > > > tickets anywhere in the U.S. given away daily. Click for a chance to > > win. > > > > http://click./1/5294/9/_/542111/_/960459363/ > > > > > ------------- -------------------------- > > > > > > > > Chronic Diseases Heal - Chinese Herbs Can Help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------- ---------------------------- > > > Free @Backup service! Click here for your free trial of @Backup. > > > @Backup is the most convenient way to securely protect and access > > > your files online. Try it now and receive 300 MyPoints. > > > http://click./1/4935/9/_/542111/_/960597433/ > > > ----------- ---------------------------- > > > > > > Chronic Diseases Heal - Chinese Herbs Can Help > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------- -------------------------- > > Missing old school friends? Find them here: > > http://click./1/5534/9/_/542111/_/961100215/ > > ------------- -------------------------- > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare > practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing > in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, > including board approved online continuing education. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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