Guest guest Posted June 16, 2000 Report Share Posted June 16, 2000 <<if practitioners are not the appropriate people to consider the ethical prescribing of Chinese medicinals then who is?>> I agree, Derek, and the consciousness of what we deal with needs to be addressed at various levels. Both Bensky and my herb classes teach the use of rhinocerous horn, endangered antelope horn and bear gall bladder in great detail with only parenthetical discussions of the substitutes. Books and classes should teach the replacements with parenthetical notes about the historical or endangered or tortously acquired animal parts. Herbs that are endangered are rarely specified as such. How are practicioners to know whether something is to be avoided? When I buy Western herbs I can readily find suppliers who refuse wildcrafted echinacea or goldenseal, suggest substitutes for trillium and certify that their herbs are grown organically or harvested sustainably. I haven't seen much of that from suppliers of Chinese herbs. If China leads the world in species extinction, then we are part of the problem until we develop mechanisms to choose ethically, monitor species, encourage sustainable agriculture and to teach responsibility in prescription. Karen Vaughan CreationsGarden *************************************** Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment. " Medicine...the only profession that labours incessantly to destroy the reason for its existence. " James Bryce 1914 ______________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2000 Report Share Posted June 16, 2000 The bear gall issue is one of cruelty. whether one defends the use of animals for medicine or food or not, no one can defend barbaric cruelty. As to the the question of rhino and antelope horn, they are not used by american practitioners, despite being listed in Bensky. I don't think this issue was glossed over in my classes, if anything, it has been hyped by the World Wildlife Federation. In their zeal to demonize China over the very real exploitation of animals, WWF released a report five years ago also listing many plant species being used in TCM as being illegal endangered species. It later was shown that the herbs in question were ALL cultivated, rather than gathered from the wild and had been so for hundreds of years. WWF never retracted their report, anyway. It is not illegal to cultivate endangered species. No american herb supplier even deals in rhino or antelope and the claims about the endangered plants appear to be largely erroneous (confirmed to me by stephen foster, author of herbal emissaries, BTW). So we must be precise in our critique of chinese practices. If we fan these flames without cause, we raise another red flag against chinese herbs. You all know I think there are real problems, here, but the issue of endangered plant use seems to be specious. I have asked Andy Ellis to comment. , Karen S Vaughan < creationsgarden@j...> wrote: > <<if practitioners are not > the appropriate people to consider the ethical prescribing of Chinese > medicinals then who is?>> > > I agree, Derek, and the consciousness of what we deal with needs to be > addressed at various levels. > > Both Bensky and my herb classes teach the use of rhinocerous horn, > endangered antelope horn and bear gall bladder in great detail with only > parenthetical discussions of the substitutes. Books and classes should > teach the replacements with parenthetical notes about the historical or > endangered or tortously acquired animal parts. Herbs that are endangered > are rarely specified as such. How are practicioners to know whether > something is to be avoided? > > When I buy Western herbs I can readily find suppliers who refuse > wildcrafted echinacea or goldenseal, suggest substitutes for trillium and > certify that their herbs are grown organically or harvested sustainably. > I haven't seen much of that from suppliers of Chinese herbs. > > If China leads the world in species extinction, then we are part of the > problem until we develop mechanisms to choose ethically, monitor species, > encourage sustainable agriculture and to teach responsibility in > prescription. > > Karen Vaughan > CreationsGarden@j... > *************************************** > Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment. > " Medicine...the only profession that labours incessantly to destroy the > reason for its existence. " James Bryce 1914 > > ______________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2000 Report Share Posted June 16, 2000 In a message dated 6/16/00 6:15:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, creationsgarden writes: << The fact is that time is still spent on teaching the uses, doses and properties of the endangered species but less effort on the non-endangered substitutes. Is this due to questions on national exams or just resistance to depart from traditional lists? Since no one is using rhino or antelope horn (which are identified as endangered), why are the substitutes not being stressed instead? >> Karen, I always appreciate your intelligent messages in this group. I am about to begin teaching an herbs class for the first time, and while I think I know herbs, I realize I do not know the likely substitutes for the horn products mentioned above. Can you tell me what they are please? Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2000 Report Share Posted June 16, 2000 Todd- The problem isn't demonization of China, but one of educating practicioners so they can prescribe ethically. I've noted Andy Ellis's comments on Mu Xiang, Tian Ma and Shi Hu in my MMs, and listmembers probably know that similar cautions should be taken with Xi Yang Shen (which tends to suffer from heavy fungicide application unless it is organically woods-cultivated). Tan Xiang probably needs certificates of cultivation as well, as is required when sourced from India. I have trouble believing that there are only three species in danger, given the population pressures and trade parameters of Chinese botanicals. We have far more than three at risk species in the US according to the United Plant Savers listings and botanical medicine is far less prevalent here. How about Sheng Ma (Cimicifuga is at risk in the US) or other slow growing roots or woods? Or Chan Su when toads and frogs are rapidly disappearing? Or anything growing in a disappearing habitat? The fact is that time is still spent on teaching the uses, doses and properties of the endangered species but less effort on the non-endangered substitutes. Is this due to questions on national exams or just resistance to depart from traditional lists? Since no one is using rhino or antelope horn (which are identified as endangered), why are the substitutes not being stressed instead? Incidentally I have not heard classroom teaching about cruelty concerns with Xiong Don or other animal parts, although I've picked up some things on the web, have asked, or have surmised them based upon the animal and part. Incidentally materia medica courses which provide at risk status information will be required by the American Herbalists Guild and the Botanical Medicine Academy which will be administering national board certification in herbal medicine, (open to practicioners of oriental medicine). Lists of these endangered or at-risk species and medicinals with cruelty concerns should be included in all TOM cirricula as well. Similarly lists of patents with objectional components would be useful. If anyone has made up such a list (more accurate than the WWF list) perhaps you could upload a copy. Karen Vaughan CreationsGarden *************************************** ______________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2000 Report Share Posted June 17, 2000 Bensky lists waterbuffalo horn, shui niu jiao, at a _much_ higher dose for rhino horn (1-2g vs 30-120g). John Pai at PCOM NY has used both (or has seen rhino horn used) and says the waterbuffalo horn doesn't work as well for fever-induced coma. This indicates that we need to look at reformulation rather than substitution of one ingredient. Goat horn, shan yang jiao, is listed in Bensky as a substitute for antelope horn, again not as strong. K.Y. Yen lists the horns of Gazella gutturosa, Panthalopos hodgsoni, and Naemorhedus goral (goat) as substitutes. And cow gallbladder is recommended as a substitute for xiong dan. I understand that these can be taken directly from beef cattle rather than the tortous practices of harvesting bile from caged bears. If someone knows differently, please correct me. Neither book addresses at risk or cruelty status of the substitutes. Karen Vaughan CreationsGarden *************************************** Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment. " Medicine...the only profession that labours incessantly to destroy the reason for its existence. " James Bryce 1914 ______________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2000 Report Share Posted June 17, 2000 The article below does not specify endangered medicinal plants but can give us some guidance in what types of vascular plants in our MM we might consider avoiding or researching for at risk status. Karen Vaughan CreationsGarden *************************************** 1997 IUCN Red List of Threatened Plants First Global Assessment of Plants Rings Alarm Bells Worldwide ------ Washington, D.C., April 8, 1998 More than one out of every eight plant species worldwide is at risk of extinction, according to the most comprehensive scientific assessment ever assembled on the status of the world's plants. The IUCN Red List of Threatened Plants released today revealed that 12.5 percent or 34,000 of the world's plant species are threatened. In the United States, perhaps the most thoroughly studied country in the world, 29 percent of the nation's 16,000 plant species are at risk of extinction. " The numbers are staggering, not only because they are exceedingly large, but because we are talking about the organisms on which all animal life depends. " said David Bracken, chairman of IUCN's Species Survival Commission. " Plants clothe us, feed us and our domestic animals, and provide us with most of our medicines, yet our knowledge of their status is woefully inadequate. This needs to change. We need to invest in botany. We cannot afford to neglect the fate of the world's plants. " The IUCN Red List of Threatened Plants is the result of a 20-year effort by a unique coalition of scientists, conservation organizations, botanical gardens and museums. The major U.S. contributors to this global partnership were The Nature Conservancy (TNC), The Smithsonian Institution's National Museum of Natural History, and the New York Botanical Garden. The global partnership pooled its expertise to present a snapshot of the status of plant biodiversity. The picture is troubling: *Of the estimated 270,000 known species of vascular plants, 33,798 specific are considered at risk of extinction. These plants are found in 369 plant families and are scattered throughout 200 countries. Of the plant species named in the Red List, 91 percent are found only in a single country. A limited geographic distribution can make a species much more vulnerable and may reduce options for its protection. A great number of plant species known to have medicinal value is at risk of disappearing, leaving their human healing potential unfulfilled. For instance, 75 percent of the species from the yew family, a source of important cancer-fighting compounds, are threatened. The willow family, from which aspirin is derived, has 12 percent of its species threatened. *The dipterocarps, a family of trees that includes some valuable timber species in Southeast Asia, have 32.5 percent of their close relatives threatened. *With the loss of each species, we lose access to critical genetic material that may have contributed to producing hardier, healthier crops for human and animal consumption. *Close relatives to many familiar plants are at risk of extinction. For instance, 14 percent of the rose family, 32 percent of the lily family and 32 percent of the iris family are threatened. Numerous other species whose value has not yet been studied are also at risk. " The reasons for the rapid loss of plant life vary, but we know that loss of habitat and the introduction of alien or non-native plant species, are the two main factors " said John C. Sawhill, president and CEO of The Nature Conservancy. " The findings in the Red LIst should sound alarm bells around the world. It is not too late to take steps to protect what we are about to lose. We must act now. " The information about the status of U.S. plant species contained in the Red List was provided through the National Heritage Network, a public-private partnership involving state and federal agencies and The Nature Conservancy. " Only through the concerted efforts of botanists working in natural history museums, botanical gardens and universities has it been possible to assemble the vital worldwide information contained in the Red List, " said Dr. John Kress, Chair of the Smithsonian's botany department. " The 4.5-million plant collection housed at the National Museum of Natural History, when coupled with the specimens at our collaborating institutions, comprise an invaluable reference library of nearly 20 million plant specimens. If we are to conserve the world's plant species, we need more interaction between government, scientific institutions, botanical gardens and conservation organizations. " Brian Boom, vice president for botanical science and Pfizer curator of botany at The New York Botanical Garden added, " Every nation understands and appreciates its biotic wealth. Ironically, it is precisely the biological assets that are the most at risk. Efforts such as the Red List are instrumental in drawing attention to threatened plant resources, and thereby fostering a climate of awareness, appreciation and understanding of the economic value of these resources as the basis for new foods, fuels, fibers, fragrances, and medicines. While the Red List of Threatened Plants is a comprehensive assessment of the status of known plant species there is much that remains unknown. For instance, the Red List reflects a distinctly regional bias. Comprehensive assessments from North America, Australia and Southern Africa are included. Coverage of other regions is far more fragmentary and often very incomplete. The rest of Africa, Asia, the Caribbean and South America, when more fully studied will undoubtedly be found to harbor many more threatened plants than are documented in this edition of the Red List. It should be noted that the list is an assessment of vascular plants only. Vascular plants include ferns, conifers and flowering plants. Plants not assessed for this publication include mosses, lichens, and algae. Fungi are also not included on this list. Bracken of IUCN added, " I have no doubt that once we do more research, we will find that the figure of 12.5 percent of the world's plants threatened with extinction is a very conservative estimate. We all need to step up our commitment to effective conservation action and move quickly to conserve those species that we already know are at risk. 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