Guest guest Posted June 16, 2000 Report Share Posted June 16, 2000 This is part of a letter I was requested to send to my legislator regarding increasing the amount of basic TCM education for CA licensure. I thought this line was particularly interesting given the mounting evidence of extremely high attrition in our field. While I support more education, this is just further evidence that something is not quite kosher. "Benjamin E. Dierauf" wrote: The extra costs (of a 3200 hour program) are well justified (italics mine), and the graduates will be better equipped to enter the job market and to serve the public with more effective and competent health care services. assuming they can actually make a living! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2000 Report Share Posted June 17, 2000 In a message dated 6/16/00 3:58:04 PM, herb-t writes: << This is part of a letter I was requested to send to my legislator regarding increasing the amount of basic TCM education for CA licensure. I thought this line was particularly interesting given the mounting evidence of extremely high attrition in our field. While I support more education, this is just further evidence that something is not quite kosher. " Benjamin E. Dierauf " wrote: > The extra costs (of a 3200 hour program) are well justified (italics > mine), and the > graduates will be better equipped to enter the job market and to serve > the public with more effective and competent health care services. assuming they can actually make a living! >> I do find it interesting that ND's, with more education and more loans I assume, are moving ahead at getting the feds to legalize their profession nationally thru federal mandate instead of state to state, mostly by getting onto every CAM panel put out by the federal government. The way they do this is by having a doctoral entry level and getting ostensibly intelligent people who are actually interested in moving thier profession ahead both scientifically and politically, which in this country is the same, by the way. David Molony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2000 Report Share Posted June 18, 2000 David, For the record... Though it is true that the " fed " hires N.D. to serve on various CAM endeavors, it is also true that this does little to remedy the fact that N.D.'s still have to fight tooth and nail to obtain and maintain licensure (aka. legal status) from each state. Currently, there are thriteen state that recognize N.D.'s as primary care providers. In " unlicensed " states we (I'm an N.D. too by the way) still practice, but under the assumption that at any time the heavy hammer of the law could come crashing down if it is found that we are practicing medicine (i.e. diagnosing and treating disease). Fortunately, little law-related activity has evolved over the years. I do believe that the scientific and political activity at the " fed " level may potentially prove to be fruitful to the naturopathic profession in future years, though I'm not sure that -as you say- scientific and political activity are necessarily one and the same. In the light of a slew research findings uncovered by many " brilliant " scientists who have found the dangers and or lack of therapeutic effect of many natural medicines and therapies (despite the preponderance of empirical science showing the contrary), I find it truly " political " that the rug can be easily swept from beneath the feet of the naturopathic profession over night. Thaddeus Jacobs, N.D., L.Ac. - <acuman1 Saturday, June 17, 2000 6:43 PM Re: bogus claim? > > In a message dated 6/16/00 3:58:04 PM, herb-t writes: > > << This is part of a letter I was requested to send to my legislator regarding > increasing the amount of basic TCM education for CA licensure. I thought > this line was particularly interesting given the mounting evidence of > extremely high attrition in our field. While I support more education, > this is just further evidence that something is not quite kosher. > > " Benjamin E. Dierauf " wrote: > > > The extra costs (of a 3200 hour program) are well justified (italics > > mine), and the > > > graduates will be better equipped to enter the job market and to serve > > the public with more effective and competent health care services. > > assuming they can actually make a living! > >> > > I do find it interesting that ND's, with more education and more loans I > assume, are moving ahead at getting the feds to legalize their profession > nationally thru federal mandate instead of state to state, mostly by getting > onto every CAM panel put out by the federal government. > The way they do this is by having a doctoral entry level and getting > ostensibly intelligent people who are actually interested in moving thier > profession ahead both scientifically and politically, which in this country > is the same, by the way. > David Molony > > ------ > Over 1,000 solutions for allergies & asthma-gazoontite.com! Shop now! > http://click./1/5490/9/_/542111/_/961292593/ > ------ > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2000 Report Share Posted June 19, 2000 In a message dated 6/19/00 1:00:27 AM, drtjacobs writes: << Though it is true that the " fed " hires N.D. to serve on various CAM endeavors, it is also true that this does little to remedy the fact that N.D.'s still have to fight tooth and nail to obtain and maintain licensure (aka. legal status) from each state. >> I realize this, but the crux of what I am saying was that there is indeed an almost impossible situation for you guys in most states (and getting worse due to MD's becoming alt med specialists in a week or so) to get licensed on a state by state basis. However, the Federal government can mandate states to develop boards that they see to be necessary for the public good. They did this with the S & L's in the 70's. This is not to say that there is no need to keep on fighting, but that your leadership may see there are many ways to find an answer, even if they don't let on to the rest of membership. But then again I may be granting them too much foresight. Currently, there are thriteen state that recognize N.D.'s as primary care providers. In " unlicensed " states we (I'm an N.D. too by the way) still practice, but under the assumption that at any time the heavy hammer of the law could come crashing down if it is found that we are practicing medicine (i.e. diagnosing and treating disease). Yes, I do find it unfortunate that those ND's who use OM to practice dont avail themselves to work to advance OM until they get harrassed for going outside their scope, and of course there are exceptions. But generally, they choose ND political participation over the one they are legally licensed under. After all, it is only a modality they work with as an ND, so it is easy to see why. The point I was making was that we need to move OM ahead with research and doc entry level to be able to acheive what such a small number of ND's, relatively speaking, have done. We need volunteers and participants whose interest is in advancing the profession as well as treating their patients. I am hopeful that somehow more advanced training will stimulate that sort of thinking process. I find it truly " political " that the rug can be easily swept from beneath the feet of the naturopathic profession over night. WE are seeing an attempt at this in OM right now, and if they succeed, they will have a precedent for removing whole groups of plants for one of their common constituents. Then there is CODEX, which, with the GATT treaties, bypasses the US constitution according to our lawyer. This is relevent to all of herbalism, but we are seeing a complacency that sort of says, " Well, I dont' use those herbs anyway. " The next few years will be interesting. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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