Guest guest Posted July 9, 2000 Report Share Posted July 9, 2000 Alon Where did you get that 0.2% stat? It is much too low, I think. Can you provide me the source and specifics of your figure? I am comparing the use of all herbs to all pharmaceuticals. According to David Eisenberg at Harvard "An estimated 15 million adults in 1997 took prescription medications concurrently with herbal remedies and/or high-dose vitamins (18.4% of all prescription users)" This was 5% of the population and the figure does not include those who took only herbal remedies and/or high-dose vitamins or those using OTC drugs. By all industry sales estimates (which are admittedly not scientific surveys), this figure has increased substantially in the past three years, especially due to low priced internet sales of these items. According to Eisenberg, the therapy that increased the most in use from 90-97 was herbal. Having been in the retail supplement business during this period, I can confirm this ws my experience. The actual statistics would probably be less than 100 serious adverse incidents nationwide (resulting in death or requiring emergency medical attention, based on medline searches) last year in a population of at least 10,000,000 users. While the survey lumps herbs and megadose vits together, the fact is the most megadose vits contain herbal synergists these days. I know from sales figures that people will choose a product with more on the label every time. So it may really be more like 20 or 30 million people used herbs last year. , alonmarcus@w... wrote: > 3. The actual total number of all serious adverse Chinese herbal incidents is a mere fraction of those caused by the highly regulated (and thus supposedly safe) pharmaceutical market. > > >>>>what they will say about this one is that only about 0.2% of the us population is using these herbs thus a few cases is actually very serious. For example 8% of us population is using an NSAID at any given time. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2000 Report Share Posted July 9, 2000 Where did you get that 0.2% stat? It is much too low, I think. Can you provide me the source and specifics of your figure? >>>I remember seeing this number from some HMO (I think Kaiser) review. This number was for TCM herbs. Acupuncture was something like 0.3 of population. Alon - cha Sunday, July 09, 2000 12:44 PM herb use stats Alon Where did you get that 0.2% stat? It is much too low, I think. Can you provide me the source and specifics of your figure? I am comparing the use of all herbs to all pharmaceuticals. According to David Eisenberg at Harvard "An estimated 15 million adults in 1997 took prescription medications concurrently with herbal remedies and/or high-dose vitamins (18.4% of all prescription users)" This was 5% of the population and the figure does not include those who took only herbal remedies and/or high-dose vitamins or those using OTC drugs. By all industry sales estimates (which are admittedly not scientific surveys), this figure has increased substantially in the past three years, especially due to low priced internet sales of these items. According to Eisenberg, the therapy that increased the most in use from 90-97 was herbal. Having been in the retail supplement business during this period, I can confirm this ws my experience. The actual statistics would probably be less than 100 serious adverse incidents nationwide (resulting in death or requiring emergency medical attention, based on medline searches) last year in a population of at least 10,000,000 users. While the survey lumps herbs and megadose vits together, the fact is the most megadose vits contain herbal synergists these days. I know from sales figures that people will choose a product with more on the label every time. So it may really be more like 20 or 30 million people used herbs last year. Todd , alonmarcus@w... wrote: > 3. The actual total number of all serious adverse Chinese herbal incidents is a mere fraction of those caused by the highly regulated (and thus supposedly safe) pharmaceutical market. > > >>>>what they will say about this one is that only about 0.2% of the us population is using these herbs thus a few cases is actually very serious. For example 8% of us population is using an NSAID at any given time. > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2000 Report Share Posted July 9, 2000 I can’t remember if someone wanted this stat. Or something similar, if it helps here it is… In the United States each person consumes an average of 225 tablets of aspirin or similar over-the-counter pain relievers per year (Pain and Behavioral Medicine- A Cognitive-Behavioral Perspective by Dennis Turk).. -JB -----Original Message-----[herb-t] Sunday, July 09, 2000 12:44 PM cha herb use stats Alon Where did you get that 0.2% stat? It is much too low, I think. Can you provide me the source and specifics of your figure? I am comparing the use of all herbs to all pharmaceuticals. According to David Eisenberg at Harvard " An estimated 15 million adults in 1997 took prescription medications concurrently with herbal remedies and/or high-dose vitamins (18.4% of all prescription users) " This was 5% of the population and the figure does not include those who took only herbal remedies and/or high-dose vitamins or those using OTC drugs. By all industry sales estimates (which are admittedly not scientific surveys), this figure has increased substantially in the past three years, especially due to low priced internet sales of these items. According to Eisenberg, the therapy that increased the most in use from 90-97 was herbal. Having been in the retail supplement business during this period, I can confirm this ws my experience. The actual statistics would probably be less than 100 serious adverse incidents nationwide (resulting in death or requiring emergency medical attention, based on medline searches) last year in a population of at least 10,000,000 users. While the survey lumps herbs and megadose vits together, the fact is the most megadose vits contain herbal synergists these days. I know from sales figures that people will choose a product with more on the label every time. So it may really be more like 20 or 30 million people used herbs last year. , alonmarcus@w... wrote: > 3. The actual total number of all serious adverse Chinese herbal incidents is a mere fraction of those caused by the highly regulated (and thus supposedly safe) pharmaceutical market. > > >>>>what they will say about this one is that only about 0.2% of the us population is using these herbs thus a few cases is actually very serious. For example 8% of us population is using an NSAID at any given time. > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2000 Report Share Posted July 10, 2000 For chinese herbs, you are correct, I would bet, but comparing chinese herb incidents alone would be like only using stats about drugs produced in america. However, if we are just talking about chinese herb use in america, I believe all the serious incidents not involving adulteration have been restricted to ma huang, which has largely been due to unscrupulous marketing. I think the american profession of TCM may actually have zero documented serious adverse herbal incidents. does anyone know? The kidney failures wre in europe and asia, as were the bai xian pi allegies and interferon/chai hu interactions. We have had problems with drugs disguised as herbs, such as " black pills for arthritis " and jin bu huan, but not with any pure herbs. Aconite poisoning, which is the cause of more adverse incidents than all others combined in Asia, is not responsible for any in licensed professional TCM in America. Ironically, part of the reason may be that many practitioners use dosages so low that toxicity is highly unlikely. , alonmarcus@w... wrote: > Where did you get that 0.2% stat? It is much too low, I think. Can you provide me the source and specifics of your figure? > > >>>I remember seeing this number from some HMO (I think Kaiser) review. This number was for TCM herbs. Acupuncture was something like 0.3 of population. > > Alon > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2000 Report Share Posted July 10, 2000 The only one I Know off is a patient that developed a blood disorder from using Yin Chao tabs for 1 yr. continuously Alon - <herb-t Sunday, July 09, 2000 11:44 PM Re: herb use stats > For chinese herbs, you are correct, I would bet, but comparing > chinese > herb incidents alone would be like only using stats about drugs > produced in america. However, if we are just talking about chinese > herb use in america, I believe all the serious incidents not > involving > adulteration have been restricted to ma huang, which has largely been > due to unscrupulous marketing. I think the american profession of TCM > may actually have zero documented serious adverse herbal incidents. > does anyone know? The kidney failures wre in europe and asia, as > were > the bai xian pi allegies and interferon/chai hu interactions. We > have > had problems with drugs disguised as herbs, such as " black pills for > arthritis " and jin bu huan, but not with any pure herbs. Aconite > poisoning, which is the cause of more adverse incidents than all > others > combined in Asia, is not responsible for any in licensed professional > TCM in America. Ironically, part of the reason may be that many > practitioners use dosages so low that toxicity is highly unlikely. > > > , alonmarcus@w... wrote: > > Where did you get that 0.2% stat? It is much too low, I think. > Can you provide me the source and specifics of your figure? > > > > >>>I remember seeing this number from some HMO (I think Kaiser) > review. This number was for TCM herbs. Acupuncture was something like > 0.3 of population. > > > > Alon > > > > > > > > ------ > Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations. > Remember the good 'ol days > http://click./1/5531/11/_/542111/_/963211475/ > ------ > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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