Guest guest Posted July 10, 2000 Report Share Posted July 10, 2000 This was passed on to me, but the original author was not named. It contains some interesting info, but also misleading and defamatory statements. I have printed it here only to give myself the chance to respond publicly to the misinformation it contains, which I will address in the next post. However, I must say at the outset that the statement about herbalist Simon Mills is a disgusting example of what those who pretend to be our allies will say. A warning to those who like to throw email tantrums. I'll gladly make sure the whole TCM world gets a chance to see your display. > The WHO is truly secretive, and they does not want our input at all. > The same goes for the WTO. This is why we had a huge demonstration in > Seattle. I was there. see http://www.indymedia.org > Multinational corporate interests dominate the UN, WTO, WHO, FAO and other > international bodies. > When NGO's participate in their meetings, they serve as window dressing- > part of an effort to con the public into believing they have representation > before these undemocratic bodies, but it is all one big charade because the > NGOs can't vote in their proceedings so really have no voice. > > What your Chinese friends and Oriental Medical practitioners should do is > get involved with ESCOP and BIOMED in order to keep those groups honest, > and they may pick up the names of some WHO people to try to influence via > involvment with them, but under no circumstances should they ever trust > Simon Mills President of ESCOP who is an herbalist working out of the > University of Exeter in England. He is dangerous. He would like to turn > herbs into " drugs " and is really into " standardization " which any honest > herbalist will condemn as a marketing gimmick and as a disengenious, > arrogant attempt to " improve on nature " by altering the natural synergy of > the whole herb. Certainly no Chinese herbalist favors either > standardization or using single herbs, favoring to use herbs as part of a > Chinese healing system considering 5 Element theory. > > One of the control mechanisms the cartel is trying to impose re herbs is > standardization, because its a way to " raise the regulatory hurdles " in > order to knock all the small companies out of the market. The Chinese > government and Chinese herbalists world wide must put their foot down and > cry cultural bias as well as pharmaceutical protectionism. Whats really > going on here is that the German phytopharmaceutical industry is trying to > control the world market in herbs, and they are all selling out to the > multinational giants. Bayer is now referring to herbs as " green > pharmaceuticals. " > > FDA has yet to come out with new GMP standards for the supplement industry, > (a huge weapon that was handed to them with the passage of DSHEA in '94) > and the threat is that they will try to come out with full HACCP GMPs or as > close to them as they think they can get away with. HACCP = Hazard Analysis > and Critical Control Point, red tape laden overkill which our industry > doesn't need. HACCP GMPs may be needed for the food and pharmaceutical > industries, but those industries are far more dangerous- the pharmaceutical > industry deals with far more toxic products, while the food industry has > the huge risk of contamination and spoilage causing food poisoning. > Supplements are far safer than either foods or pharmaceuticals. We need GMP > standards, but not if they're so stringent that all the small innovative > companies get driven over the cliff. > > We are just seeing the tip of the iceberg now in terms of attacks on our > dietary supplement laws in an effort to repeal them. I just sent out the > transcript of an attack orchestrated by ABC's Nightline. This is part of a > global pattern of attacks on the natural products industry which IAHF has > been witnessing. It is CODEX harmonization, an effort on the part of the > pharma cartel to move all nations as close as they can towards the grossly > restrictive international " standards " they're in the process of trying to > railroad us into. > > If the Democrats regain just 6 more seats in the House, it threatens to put > Congressmen Dingle and Waxman back at the throut of the dietary supplement > industry and consumers. Both are staunch supporters of the FDA and of the > pharmaceutical industry, and they don't think consumers have enough brains > to safely make their own decisions- they have a very paternalistic attitude > that strong central government control is needed to save us from ourselves. > They have vowed to repeal DSHEA.. I am not a Republican, I'm a libertarian > and distrust both major parties, but when it comes to keeping the FDA off > our backs, I distrust the Democrats more because they have an ugly track > record of helping the FDA and the Pharma Cartel while Republicans have been > more in favor of free enterprise and individual choices. There have been a > few exceptions to this such as Senator Harkin, and Congressman De Fazio, so > I don't want to overgeneralize, but we need to seek out allies amongst both > major parties and perhaps your group can help me do that. I appreciate your > help and concern very much. > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2000 Report Share Posted July 10, 2000 This is clearly written by someone with a vested interest in direct sales of herbs to the general public > The WHO is truly secretive, and they does not want our input at all. > The same goes for the WTO. This is why we had a huge demonstration in > Seattle.....Multinational corporate interests dominate the UN, WTO, WHO, FAO > and other > international bodies. You can't have it both ways > If the Democrats regain just 6 more seats in the House, it threatens to put > Congressmen Dingle and Waxman back at the throut of the dietary supplement > industry and consumers. > The global trade issue is a big D democratic position demanding more openness and accountability for world governing bodies, while DSHEA is a republican party issue. That should tell you who is in bed with who. The democratic party either opposes world trade agreements (like unions) or they want more accountability (like clintonites). Republicans overwhelmingly support world trade with little or no accountability (like bush). Similarly, republicans oppose labeling regulations, not to protect small herb companies, but to protect their big corporate buddies who have used DSHEA to " advertise " the smaller companies out of business. On the far left, Nader supports world trade with strong corporate regulations (though many of his supporters have mistaken him for a protectionist). On the far right, with almost zero % popular support is Pat Buchanan. He is alone among right wingers in his protectionism. So you can vote republican to protect DSHEA, but at the same time you also vote to support multinational pharmaceutical interests. In the long term, you will have voted against the very issue you hold so dear. Not to mention, there will be even less restrictions on world use of pesticides and prison and child labor. You can all be happy that you saved DSHEA, but DSHEA benefits corporate supplement makers, not practitioners. DSHEA hurts practitioners by allowing the public to circumvent our services in favor of bogus labeling claims that make it appear that herbalism is layperson's medicine. This was the biggest scam of the nineties. > > > What your Chinese friends and Oriental Medical practitioners should do is > get involved with ESCOP and BIOMED in order to keep those groups honest, > and they may pick up the names of some WHO people to try to influence via > involvment with them, but under no circumstances should they ever trust > Simon Mills President of ESCOP who is an herbalist working out of the > University of Exeter in England. He is dangerous. this is just defamatory. Mills is well-respected and published, but his perspective has always been biochemical. He wrote wonderful books linking herbal energetics and biochemistry in the nineties. You may oppose his position, but there is no evidence that he is some sort of schill for german pharmaceutical concerns. He believes in what he does. Intelligent people may disagree. We would do well not to appear too emotional and tantrum prone in this debate. Namecalling without facts immediately makes me look askance on the namecaller, not the named. > He would like to turn > herbs into " drugs " and is really into " standardization " which any honest > herbalist will condemn as a marketing gimmick and as a disengenious, I totally disagree. This author, like many others has no clue what standardization means. It has nothing to do with altering herbal synergistics. It is just about establishing potency for safe dosing purposes. Standardization replaces the expertise to identify high quality herbs that few now possess. And if you use prepared products, only standardization can tell you about the product. Otherwise, you are at the manufacture's mercy. I support this type of intelligent standardization, which is already used by major granule producers in Japan and Taiwan. Many of you may not realize that your products have already been tested to establish levels of specific active ingredients because these are not made as label claims. But my supplier does this and I'm glad. How do you know that your unregulated product contains the label ingredients? In many cases, analyses prove otherwise. > > arrogant attempt to " improve on nature " by altering the natural synergy of > the whole herb. Certainly no Chinese herbalist favors either > standardization or using single herbs, favoring to use herbs as part of a > Chinese healing system considering 5 Element theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2000 Report Share Posted July 10, 2000 In a message dated 7/10/00 6:51:13 PM, herb-t writes: << The global trade issue is a big D democratic position demanding more openness and accountability for world governing bodies, while DSHEA is a republican party issue. That should tell you who is in bed with who. The democratic party either opposes world trade agreements (like unions) or they want more accountability (like clintonites). Republicans overwhelmingly support world trade with little or no accountability (like bush). Similarly, republicans oppose labeling regulations, not to protect small herb companies, but to protect their big corporate buddies who have used DSHEA to " advertise " the smaller companies out of business. >> This is an interesting spin. However, it is not my direct observation on capitol hill, where I have seen the dems consistently vote to regulate us into oblivion at the behest of the FDA who know best how to save us from ourselves. To quote, or paraphrase Russel Means, The Democrats promised me everything and stabbed me in the back. At least the Republicans stabbed me in the front. The Libertarians let me do whatever I wanted to be responsible for. This is a more clear description of the parties in my estimation. The Dems are planniing to screw alt med into the ground and are letting us do it to ourselves with these commissions and FDA requests. So you can vote republican to protect DSHEA, but at the same time you also vote to support multinational pharmaceutical interests. I beg to differ. The pharmaceutical interests donate equally at upper levels such as president and senator, but are overwhealmingly supportive of democratic folks in house races. You can all be happy that you saved DSHEA, but DSHEA benefits corporate supplement makers, not practitioners. DSHEA hurts practitioners by allowing the public to circumvent our services in favor of bogus labeling claims that make it appear that herbalism is layperson's medicine. This was the biggest scam of the nineties. Once again, quite the spin. If not for DSHEA, we would not have herbs at all right now, today. In case you haven't noticed, most every state has no one besides MD's who can prescribe foods or herbs. If they are regulated as drugs by the FDA, they can only be dispensed by pharmacies at the behest of a MD. I feel as if I am in Alice in Wonderland here. Can I have the mushroom now? Namecalling without facts immediately makes me look askance on the namecaller, not the named. Agreed. But I suspect that this guy is asking for money, and, just like the Republicrats, it is easier to ask for money when there is a big bad guy you can pin a name on. I totally disagree. This author, like many others has no clue what standardization means. It has nothing to do with altering herbal synergistics. It is just about establishing potency for safe dosing purposes. It does both, and there are good arguments for and against it. The European standardization works of of constituents, but who is to say what consitiuents is being used by the practitioenr for the disorder? David Molony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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