Several questions for the group....

[Guest guest]

Dear Howard,

 

Seirin needles also come in all metal, if you feel that conducts Qi better. I

use Seirin needles because they are a higher quality product -- it is not

just the silicone coating, the tip itself is more precise and contains less

imperfections. It is the Japanese regard for superior workmanship in

precision instruments that appeals to me.

 

As for alcohol-swabbing, I know old school practitioners who don't use it,

and have no problems with infections. But, it is CNT-required, and therefore,

must be done. Period. It also gives your patients reassurance that you are

clinically professional and up to date. For that alone, it is necessary. It

really doesn't matter to know which, if any, orgnaisms are actually killed by

alcohol.

 

Good luck with your classes. Where are you studying?

 

Julie Chambers, L.Ac.

Academic Dean, Yo San University

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

I just began my first needling techniques class and I have several

questions:

1) My instructor(whom I admire and respect very much) claimed that prepping

points with alcohol does nothing but remove dirt and is basically useless.I

strongly disagree with this point of view and while I understand that

alcohol does not kill viruses, I was sure that it destroys bacteria and

removes dirt. What are your thoughts? (clean needle technique

notwithstanding)

2) I have had mixed answers regarding the " right " needle to use - Seirins or

Chinese needles. I heard about the silicon coating on Seirins and called the

company( It is less than a drop and only on the tip of the needle). But

Chinese needles have a metal handle and this supposedly conducts Qi better.

Comments?

Thanks for the help

Howard

[Guest guest]

Hi Howard,

 

I agree that alcohol is basically useless other than to clean the area of grime and a small amount of bacteria I suppose. Mechanical action. To do more than that requires a much longer time than a fast swipe (not sure how long) .

I've actually wondered about using hydrogen peroxide instead, as it is less burning to the eyes and skin and less drying-- and not as cold on the belly! Don't really think it would be any more sanitizing.

 

Re needles... I use both seirins and Japanese-style metal handled needles such as Sharps and just recently have tried Acumaster. I tried an experiment while showing a patient the various kinds of needles -- held each needle by the shaft and flicked the handle while holding it. Wow! an incredible difference in resonance between needles!

 

Seirins, with the plastic handle, went thunk thunk. felt Also feels like that in the body. Would thus not resonate very deeply in the body. The handle is very light weight. The Sharps, on the other hand have a wonderful springiness and a much heavier handle and create a very deep low-pitched resonance. I used different brands of needles in the treatment and asked my patient if they felt different -- using a seirin #3 on SP 6 left and a Sharps #3 on SP 6 right, for example. He could really feel the difference, too. The Sharp needle felt like the energy penetrated more deeply.

 

Carbo needles, as I recall, had a very high pitched feeling and a shallower penetration.

 

This is, of course, not at all scientific but it was very interesting and I started wondering if others thought about this and the different effect different brands of needles might have.

 

I still like using the Sharps needles and they are inexpensive at $4 a box, compared to the seirins. I do use the tiny #1 seirins for needle-sensitive people and always use the 1/2 inch red seirins for face points.

 

Though I had a Toyo-Hari style treatment yesterday, and the practitioner inserted no needles at all -- just lightly touched the skin and brushed the skin back and forth -- and it felt wonderful.

 

Good luck with it all and enjoy your studies!

 

Catherine

 

 

 

-

hp

Tuesday, July 11, 2000 7:22 PM

Several questions for the group....

Hi all,I just began my first needling techniques class and I have severalquestions:1) My instructor(whom I admire and respect very much) claimed that preppingpoints with alcohol does nothing but remove dirt and is basically useless.Istrongly disagree with this point of view and while I understand thatalcohol does not kill viruses, I was sure that it destroys bacteria andremoves dirt. What are your thoughts? (clean needle techniquenotwithstanding)2) I have had mixed answers regarding the"right" needle to use - Seirins orChinese needles. I heard about the silicon coating on Seirins and called thecompany( It is less than a drop and only on the tip of the needle). ButChinese needles have a metal handle and this supposedly conducts Qi better.Comments?Thanks for the helpHowardChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education.

[Guest guest]

There was a journal in one of the 'prominent' medical journals that

concluded that alcohol swabbing was basically useless (even for hypodermic

needle insertion),... They just continue to use this method, before

insertion, to make the patient feel better... can't remember the source, but

I'm sure you could do a medline search..

 

-

 

 

 

hp [hnp]

Tuesday, July 11, 2000 7:23 PM

 

Several questions for the group....

 

Hi all,

I just began my first needling techniques class and I have several

questions:

1) My instructor(whom I admire and respect very much) claimed that prepping

points with alcohol does nothing but remove dirt and is basically useless.I

strongly disagree with this point of view and while I understand that

alcohol does not kill viruses, I was sure that it destroys bacteria and

removes dirt. What are your thoughts? (clean needle technique

notwithstanding)

2) I have had mixed answers regarding the " right " needle to use - Seirins or

Chinese needles. I heard about the silicon coating on Seirins and called the

company( It is less than a drop and only on the tip of the needle). But

Chinese needles have a metal handle and this supposedly conducts Qi better.

Comments?

Thanks for the help

Howard

 

 

------

Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds!

1. Fill in the brief application

2. Receive approval decision within 30 seconds

3. Get rates as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR

http://click./1/6628/11/_/542111/_/963368737/

------

 

Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare

practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing

in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services,

including board approved online continuing education.

 

 

[Guest guest]

your instructor is correct. alcohol does nothing except move dirt around. if

you need a real affect you need to betadine

Alon

-

" hp " <hnp

 

Tuesday, July 11, 2000 7:22 PM

Several questions for the group....

 

 

> Hi all,

> I just began my first needling techniques class and I have several

> questions:

> 1) My instructor(whom I admire and respect very much) claimed that

prepping

> points with alcohol does nothing but remove dirt and is basically

useless.I

> strongly disagree with this point of view and while I understand that

> alcohol does not kill viruses, I was sure that it destroys bacteria and

> removes dirt. What are your thoughts? (clean needle technique

> notwithstanding)

> 2) I have had mixed answers regarding the " right " needle to use - Seirins

or

> Chinese needles. I heard about the silicon coating on Seirins and called

the

> company( It is less than a drop and only on the tip of the needle). But

> Chinese needles have a metal handle and this supposedly conducts Qi

better.

> Comments?

> Thanks for the help

> Howard

>

>

> ------

> Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds!

> 1. Fill in the brief application

> 2. Receive approval decision within 30 seconds

> 3. Get rates as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR

> http://click./1/6628/11/_/542111/_/963368737/

> ------

>

> Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare

practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing

in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services,

including board approved online continuing education.

>

>

>