Guest guest Posted July 21, 2000 Report Share Posted July 21, 2000 I agree with Todd. Come out to portland during our 9 month rainy season and you'll find plenty of patients with joint pain who really need to dry out. Incidentally, I wonder if we also have a disproportionately high number of patients with damp spleens. I've had to tell a number of my more " health conscious " patients, who undertake raw food diets or just eat a lot of salad, that it's just not a good idea in a place that rains from october through june. Maybe the booming coffee industry here (Starbucks or Coffee People on every block) is fueled by a subconscious desire by everyone to diurese themselves. -Peter ---- Original Message ----- > Message: 13 > Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:59:54 -0000 > herb-t > Re: tests of ginseng > > , juliej8@a... wrote: > > Alon, > > > > > I do not have nearly enough experience with joint pain to compare > with 500 > > charts, but I have not noticed much correlation with the weather. > > > > I have, but its gets very damp up here, which seems to be very > problematic. Aren't you in sunny LA, Julie? > > > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2000 Report Share Posted July 21, 2000 Hi group, Funny...I do live in " sunny " LA, actually the less sunny foggier coastal city of Santa Monica is where I live and practice, but most of my patients live in dryer parts of town. I see more heat bi, yin deficiency and dryness. I am actually living in a desert I guess you would have to say. But didn't the original writer say that only 5% of his joint pain cases were actually affected by weather? Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2000 Report Share Posted July 21, 2000 I have often noticed that Northwesterners self-medicate with coffee to disinhibit dampness, so that they are able to move their joints, think, and function in all that cool dampness when I visit there. on 7/21/00 2:36 AM, Peter Borten at innergate wrote: > I agree with Todd. Come out to portland during our 9 month rainy season and > you'll find plenty of patients with joint pain who really need to dry out. > Incidentally, I wonder if we also have a disproportionately high number of > patients with damp spleens. I've had to tell a number of my more " health > conscious " patients, who undertake raw food diets or just eat a lot of > salad, that it's just not a good idea in a place that rains from october > through june. > Maybe the booming coffee industry here (Starbucks or Coffee People on every > block) is fueled by a subconscious desire by everyone to diurese themselves. > -Peter > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2000 Report Share Posted July 21, 2000 Ditto from Chicago. Weather makes all of the difference. I can guarantee that when the wind picks up --- I'll be over booked in a big way the next day. Mark - " Peter Borten " <innergate Friday, July 21, 2000 4:36 AM re: joint pain & weather > I agree with Todd. Come out to portland during our 9 month rainy season and > you'll find plenty of patients with joint pain who really need to dry out. > Incidentally, I wonder if we also have a disproportionately high number of > patients with damp spleens. I've had to tell a number of my more " health > conscious " patients, who undertake raw food diets or just eat a lot of > salad, that it's just not a good idea in a place that rains from october > through june. > Maybe the booming coffee industry here (Starbucks or Coffee People on every > block) is fueled by a subconscious desire by everyone to diurese themselves. > -Peter > > ---- Original Message ----- > > Message: 13 > > Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:59:54 -0000 > > herb-t > > Re: tests of ginseng > > > > , juliej8@a... wrote: > > > Alon, > > > > > > > > I do not have nearly enough experience with joint pain to compare > > with 500 > > > charts, but I have not noticed much correlation with the weather. > > > > > > > I have, but its gets very damp up here, which seems to be very > > problematic. Aren't you in sunny LA, Julie? > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________ > > ______________________ > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > @Backup- Protect and Access your data any time, any where on the net. > Try @Backup FREE and receive 300 points from mypoints.com Install now: > http://click./1/6346/11/_/542111/_/964171649/ > ------ > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2000 Report Share Posted July 21, 2000 > I have often noticed that Northwesterners self-medicate with coffee to > disinhibit dampness, so that they are able to move their joints, think, and > function in all that cool dampness when I visit there. Being one of those northwesterners, I've often wondered why we can have 4 coffee shops on each corner of an intersection AND have all them doing a booming business. I think you are right, we are self medicating in an attempt to deal with this damp environment. Also, I can tell when the weather has shifted from winter to summer and the yang qi rises out of the ground. It's not that plants come out of the ground. It's that Starbucks sets out the plastic cups for iced coffee. <g> Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2000 Report Share Posted July 21, 2000 But didn't the original writer say that only 5% of his joint pain cases were actually affected by weather?>>>that is what I found in my survey of 500 cases. Again I am from the bay area were it can get fogy and cold. Alon - juliej8 Friday, July 21, 2000 8:28 AM Re: re: joint pain & weather Hi group,Funny...I do live in "sunny" LA, actually the less sunny foggier coastal city of Santa Monica is where I live and practice, but most of my patients live in dryer parts of town. I see more heat bi, yin deficiency and dryness. I am actually living in a desert I guess you would have to say.But didn't the original writer say that only 5% of his joint pain cases were actually affected by weather?JulieChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2000 Report Share Posted July 21, 2000 , " " < zrosenberg@e...> wrote: > I have often noticed that Northwesterners self-medicate with coffee to > disinhibit dampness, so that they are able to move their joints, think, and > function in all that cool dampness when I visit there. > > coffee also has high correlation with protection from depression in one study of 10,000 nurses, another reason for its popularity here in the cloudy northwest. those who drank coffee had a much, much lower incidence of suicide. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2000 Report Share Posted July 21, 2000 , juliej8@a... wrote: > Hi group, > > Funny...I do live in " sunny " LA, actually the less sunny foggier coastal city > of Santa Monica is where I live and practice, but most of my patients live in > dryer parts of town. I see more heat bi, yin deficiency and dryness. I am > actually living in a desert I guess you would have to say. Climate is too often overlooked in modern TCM. another example is that AIDS in the NW tends to be more damp and yang xu than yin xu. At Portland IEP, only 10% of pateints had pronounced yin xu in one file survey from 1994 that I did. > > But didn't the original writer say that only 5% of his joint pain cases were > actually affected by weather? I missed the original post, but I think the % is much higher in my practice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2000 Report Share Posted July 21, 2000 , <alonmarcus@w...> wrote: > But didn't the original writer say that only 5% of his joint pain cases were > actually affected by weather? > >>>that is what I found in my survey of 500 cases. Again I am from the bay area were it can get fogy and cold. > Alon > I assume we are all asking about provocation from weather and not expecting the patient to just volunteer that info. Such associations are considered quaint and archaic by educated urban patients and must be elicited in most cases I see. And also, I usually think of bi as being relieved by either heat or cold. So while a direct weather association may not be made, especially in mild climates, people often know if they like hot baths, for instance, or saunas or ice, all which might suggest similar weather responses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2000 Report Share Posted July 21, 2000 on 7/21/00 10:38 AM, herb-t at herb-t wrote: > , " " < > zrosenberg@e...> wrote: >> I have often noticed that Northwesterners self-medicate with coffee > to >> disinhibit dampness, so that they are able to move their joints, > think, and >> function in all that cool dampness when I visit there. >> >> > > coffee also has high correlation with protection from depression in > one > study of 10,000 nurses, another reason for its popularity here in the > cloudy northwest. those who drank coffee had a much, much lower > incidence of suicide. > Very interesting, indeed. Z'ev > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2000 Report Share Posted July 21, 2000 we were taught in school that coffee, spicy foods move the Liver and in those that crave them are indications of stagnant Liv Qi. catherine - Friday, July 21, 2000 11:37 AM Re: Re: joint pain & weather on 7/21/00 10:38 AM, herb-t at herb-t wrote:> , "" <> zrosenberg@e...> wrote:>> I have often noticed that Northwesterners self-medicate with coffee> to>> disinhibit dampness, so that they are able to move their joints,> think, and>> function in all that cool dampness when I visit there.>> >> > > coffee also has high correlation with protection from depression in> one > study of 10,000 nurses, another reason for its popularity here in the> cloudy northwest. those who drank coffee had a much, much lower> incidence of suicide.> Very interesting, indeed.Z'ev> > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2000 Report Share Posted July 21, 2000 coffee also improves attention and memory. It is a powerful antioxidant as well Alon - herb-t Friday, July 21, 2000 10:38 AM Re: joint pain & weather , "" <zrosenberg@e...> wrote:> I have often noticed that Northwesterners self-medicate with coffeeto> disinhibit dampness, so that they are able to move their joints,think, and> function in all that cool dampness when I visit there.> > coffee also has high correlation with protection from depression inone study of 10,000 nurses, another reason for its popularity here in the cloudy northwest. those who drank coffee had a much, much lower incidence of suicide.Todd> Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2000 Report Share Posted July 21, 2000 I assume we are all asking about provocation from weather and not expecting the patient to just volunteer that info >>>Yes I always ask. I often have to educate patient on how to express them selves as well Alon - herb-t Friday, July 21, 2000 11:24 AM Re: joint pain & weather , <alonmarcus@w...> wrote:> But didn't the original writer say that only 5% of his joint paincases were > actually affected by weather?> >>>that is what I found in my survey of 500 cases. Again I am fromthe bay area were it can get fogy and cold.> Alon> I assume we are all asking about provocation from weather and not expecting the patient to just volunteer that info. Such associations are considered quaint and archaic by educated urban patients and must be elicited in most cases I see. And also, I usually think of bi as being relieved by either heat or cold. So while a direct weather association may not be made, especially in mild climates, peopleoften know if they like hot baths, for instance, or saunas or ice, allwhich might suggest similar weather responses.ToddChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2000 Report Share Posted July 21, 2000 THIS MESSAGE CARRIES A VIRUS!!!!!!! My norton anti-virus software picked up the kak virus in your message. Norton does not yet have a fix for it, but puts it in quarantine. I have no idea how that works, but so far I haven't had problems. But this is a nasty virus in that it can infect without your having to open an attachment. Just by reading it. Catherine - Phosphor Friday, July 21, 2000 11:09 PM Re: Re: joint pain & weather As a beginning student i hope people will excuse my ignorance, but on the matter of coffee. I would have thought the depression-relieving qualities would be short lived, as in moving the liver qi this is beneficial but the rebound is more fatigue and listlessness later, which iwould have thought would lead to more depression. yet those stats show otherwise. Is it classed as Hot nature? Andrew - alonmarcus Saturday, 22 July 2000 1:53 Re: Re: joint pain & weather coffee also improves attention and memory. It is a powerful antioxidant as well Alon - herb-t Friday, July 21, 2000 10:38 AM Re: joint pain & weather , "" <zrosenberg@e...> wrote:> I have often noticed that Northwesterners self-medicate with coffeeto> disinhibit dampness, so that they are able to move their joints,think, and> function in all that cool dampness when I visit there.> > coffee also has high correlation with protection from depression inone study of 10,000 nurses, another reason for its popularity here in the cloudy northwest. those who drank coffee had a much, much lower incidence of suicide.Todd> Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2000 Report Share Posted July 22, 2000 As a beginning student i hope people will excuse my ignorance, but on the matter of coffee. I would have thought the depression-relieving qualities would be short lived, as in moving the liver qi this is beneficial but the rebound is more fatigue and listlessness later, which iwould have thought would lead to more depression. yet those stats show otherwise. Is it classed as Hot nature? Andrew - alonmarcus Saturday, 22 July 2000 1:53 Re: Re: joint pain & weather coffee also improves attention and memory. It is a powerful antioxidant as well Alon - herb-t Friday, July 21, 2000 10:38 AM Re: joint pain & weather , "" <zrosenberg@e...> wrote:> I have often noticed that Northwesterners self-medicate with coffeeto> disinhibit dampness, so that they are able to move their joints,think, and> function in all that cool dampness when I visit there.> > coffee also has high correlation with protection from depression inone study of 10,000 nurses, another reason for its popularity here in the cloudy northwest. those who drank coffee had a much, much lower incidence of suicide.Todd> Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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