Guest guest Posted July 25, 2000 Report Share Posted July 25, 2000 Well, it could have been worse I guess. Remind me again why Wei Ling Xian (I prescribed it twice today, uncharacteristically) is on the list. its kind of convoluted, but mu tong is often a clematis species, however there is a guang mu tong, which is aristolochia. If guang mu tong were mistaken for mu tong and labeled in latin as clematis and then mistakenly substituted for wei ling xian (a different clematis species) by someone who read only the latin. As convoluted as this is, it is highly possible, given how many people without expertise handle herbs between the farmer and the patient. We can only hope that Plum Blossom and other herb lines will respond with "legal patents" for the patents that were listed below. Kai Kit is another favorite I would miss if it were truly taken away. I am sure they intend to get COA's The Chinese companies have often gotten around import restrictions before to the detriment of non-Chinese speaking consumers and practitioners. circumventing these restrictions would be a public health disaster. this is a fair safety burden Hopefully David Kessler will get off our backs for a while. Kessler left his FDA position several years ago. He had nothing to do with this ruling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2000 Report Share Posted July 25, 2000 In a message dated 7/25/00 12:11:48 PM, herb-t writes: << Hopefully David Kessler will get off our backs for a while. Kessler left his FDA position several years ago. He had nothing to do with this ruling. >> Kessler wrote in to the NEJM, I think, spouting anti herb crapola, and we will see more of him, as he has always been the pharmaceutical industries mouthpiece. He will never, nor will the FDA ever get off our backs. This is just the beginning, and if we let up even just a little bit, it will come faster. David Molony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2000 Report Share Posted July 25, 2000 The only thing is that big money pharmaceuticals are getting into herb industry - acuman1 Tuesday, July 25, 2000 3:02 PM Re: clematis In a message dated 7/25/00 12:11:48 PM, herb-t writes:<< Hopefully David Kessler will get off our backs fora while.Kessler left his FDA position several years ago. He had nothing to dowith this ruling. >>Kessler wrote in to the NEJM, I think, spouting anti herb crapola, and we will see more of him, as he has always been the pharmaceutical industries mouthpiece. He will never, nor will the FDA ever get off our backs. This is just the beginning, and if we let up even just a little bit, it will come faster.David MolonyChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2000 Report Share Posted July 25, 2000 , acuman1@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 7/25/00 12:11:48 PM, herb-t@s... writes: > > << Hopefully David Kessler will get off our backs for > a while. > > Kessler left his FDA position several years ago. He had nothing to do > with this ruling. >> > > Kessler wrote in to the NEJM, I think, but as a private citizen, not FDA commissioner. Are you arguing that public safety shouldn't be our concer?. Most chinese herbs are sold in health food stores, not acupuncture offices. do you want people with profit motive only to make public health decisions? I don't. I support government regulation to control corporate greed, one of the few legitmiate and necessary purposes of gov't in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2000 Report Share Posted July 25, 2000 I do believe that David Kessler has agendas, not just public safety. . .he did single out Chinese herbs as dangerous and in need of regulation, not just aristochlia. There is no doubt that some type of regulation of Chinese herbs needs to be done. . . .and if we don't swiftly come up with a proposal for the profession, it will be done for us or to us, by the FDA or in the interests of the 'nutraceutical' firms, or the pharmaceutical firms. Just today, I got a brochure for Metabolife ( of the stimulant diet formulas) for their new line of Chinese herb formulas, called Chinac, designed by someone at Shenyang University, available through multimarketing. This trend will only continue, and lead to an inevitable clash with government regulation. Last night on the news, some self-serving physician 'expert' was asked to comment on a product available in health food stores, called " Horny Goat Weed " (i.e. yin yang huo/hb. epimidium). This 'expert' said that the product was useless for its claims of sexual potency (perhaps, being ground up in capsules, it was), and that the evidence of seeing goats mating after eating it was not grounds for its use 'without scientific evidence'. All in all, we are stuck in the middle, and need to have a voice in all this while we can. Kudos to Todd for digging up and compiling the aristolochia information posted earlier today. A great job. on 7/25/00 6:31 PM, herb-t at herb-t wrote: > , acuman1@a... wrote: >> >> In a message dated 7/25/00 12:11:48 PM, herb-t@s... writes: >> >> << Hopefully David Kessler will get off our backs > for >> a while. >> >> Kessler left his FDA position several years ago. He had nothing to > do >> with this ruling. >> >> >> Kessler wrote in to the NEJM, I think, > > but as a private citizen, not FDA commissioner. Are you arguing that > public safety shouldn't be our concer?. Most chinese herbs are sold > in health food stores, not acupuncture offices. do you want people > with profit motive only to make public health decisions? I don't. I > support government regulation to control corporate greed, one of the > few legitmiate and necessary purposes of gov't in my opinion. > > > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare > practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing > in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, > including board approved online continuing education. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2000 Report Share Posted July 26, 2000 In a message dated 7/25/00 9:32:10 PM, herb-t writes: << but as a private citizen, not FDA commissioner. Are you arguing that public safety shouldn't be our concer?. Most chinese herbs are sold in health food stores, not acupuncture offices. do you want people with profit motive only to make public health decisions? I don't. I support government regulation to control corporate greed, one of the few legitmiate and necessary purposes of gov't in my opinion. >> I thik that, just as with conventional medications, there are over the counter herbs and professional herbs, and to be truthful, I have yet to see Clematis or any of the readily available herbs or premade formulations really do anything negative in todays wild west herbal world. Imagine what some PR and public education would do. As much as I would like to restrict herbs to professionals, I think there needs to be a lot more work done to decide what to restrict and what not to. The ham handed way this is being dealt with by the FDA is absurd and money motivated. The only thing I am sure of is that the FDA is the wrong group to make these decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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