Guest guest Posted July 26, 2000 Report Share Posted July 26, 2000 Reading the wen bing, I am reminded of how similar the construction and blood aspect patterns are to severe acute viral infections such as ebola or hanta, where severe fever and internal bleeding liquifies the organs in days. These type of viruses are also the basis of modern biological weapons. I have have always wondered if these formulae may provide an antidote to this type of illness/warfare/crime against humanity. > " Robert L. Felt " wrote: > Is there a low-cost petrie dish assay that might show anti-viral > activity on the > part of the decoctions? That might be a way to get someone interested > in > further research? Does anyone know the answer to this? Steve Morrisey? It would be very interesting to propose such an assay to NIH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2000 Report Share Posted July 26, 2000 In vitro bioassays for anti-viral activity are available. I am working with someone that is setting one up to screen a number of ingredients that I have suggested may have activity. However in vitro assays don't necessarily detect the potentiation of secondary activity such as an herb that enhances phagocytic activity which consequently reduces viral load. To detect that type of response an animal model is more appropriate (not bears, usually mice, but mice have feelings too). Animal research can be quite expensive and is usually done either for expedience, to test toxicity, to evaluate dosage response curves, or to focus later human studies at the right physiological or clinical end point. High throughput screening, which you may have heard of, is an invitro bioassay that just operates at higher speed so it is often used as a first approach to weed out the chaff. And, you may have noticed that herbs that have anti-viral activity do not necessarily act on all viruses. They seem to be somewhat selective. So the test would need to be set up to assess activity on the specific viruses of interest. Stephen [herb-t] Wednesday, July 26, 2000 4:37 PM cha ebola virus Reading the wen bing, I am reminded of how similar the construction and blood aspect patterns are to severe acute viral infections such as ebola or hanta, where severe fever and internal bleeding liquifies the organs in days. These type of viruses are also the basis of modern biological weapons. I have have always wondered if these formulae may provide an antidote to this type of illness/warfare/crime against humanity. > " Robert L. Felt " wrote: > Is there a low-cost petrie dish assay that might show anti-viral > activity on the > part of the decoctions? That might be a way to get someone interested > in > further research? Does anyone know the answer to this? Steve Morrisey? It would be very interesting to propose such an assay to NIH. Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2000 Report Share Posted July 26, 2000 on 7/26/00 3:36 PM, Todd at herb-t wrote: > Reading the wen bing, I am reminded of how similar the construction > and blood aspect patterns are to severe acute viral infections such as > ebola or hanta, where severe fever and internal bleeding liquifies the > organs in days. These type of viruses are also the basis of modern > biological weapons. I have have always wondered if these formulae > may provide an antidote to this type of illness/warfare/crime against > humanity. > There is no doubt that several tropical diseases, such as dengue fever or ebola, are mentioned in diseases descriptions in Wen Bing texts. Marta Hanson, in her thesis " Inventing a Tradition in " (i.e. Wen Bing) has records of similar epidemics wiping out large swaths of populations in 18-19th century China. Look for the new " Wen Bing Theory " text from Paradigm Press. It's hot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2000 Report Share Posted July 26, 2000 In vitro bioassays for anti-viral activity are available In vitro does not mean it will work in VIVO Alon - stephen Wednesday, July 26, 2000 5:04 PM RE: ebola virus In vitro bioassays for anti-viral activity are available. I am working withsomeone that is setting one up to screen a number of ingredients that I havesuggested may have activity. However in vitro assays don't necessarilydetect the potentiation of secondary activity such as an herb that enhancesphagocytic activity which consequently reduces viral load. To detect thattype of response an animal model is more appropriate (not bears, usuallymice, but mice have feelings too). Animal research can be quite expensiveand is usually done either for expedience, to test toxicity, to evaluatedosage response curves, or to focus later human studies at the rightphysiological or clinical end point. High throughput screening, which youmay have heard of, is an invitro bioassay that just operates at higher speedso it is often used as a first approach to weed out the chaff. And, you mayhave noticed that herbs that have anti-viral activity do not necessarily acton all viruses. They seem to be somewhat selective. So the test would needto be set up to assess activity on the specific viruses of interest.StephenTodd [herb-t]Wednesday, July 26, 2000 4:37 PMcha ebola virusReading the wen bing, I am reminded of how similar the constructionand blood aspect patterns are to severe acute viral infections such asebola or hanta, where severe fever and internal bleeding liquifies theorgans in days. These type of viruses are also the basis of modernbiological weapons. I have have always wondered if these formulaemay provide an antidote to this type of illness/warfare/crime againsthumanity.Todd>"Robert L. Felt" wrote:> Is there a low-cost petrie dish assay that might show anti-viral> activity on the> part of the decoctions? That might be a way to get someone interested> in> further research?Does anyone know the answer to this? Steve Morrisey? It would be veryinteresting to propose such an assay to NIH.Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcarepractitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializingin Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services,including board approved online continuing education.http://www..orgThe Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2000 Report Share Posted July 26, 2000 , <alonmarcus@w...> wrote: > In vitro bioassays for anti-viral activity are available > In vitro does not mean it will work in VIVO > Alon I think steven says that below: " However in vitro assays don't necessarily detect the potentiation of secondary activity such as an herb that enhances phagocytic activity which consequently reduces viral load. To detect that type of response an animal model is more appropriate... " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2000 Report Share Posted July 26, 2000 To detect that type ofresponse an animal model is more appropriate...">>and unfortunately animal models do not always apply to humans Alon - herb-t Wednesday, July 26, 2000 7:01 PM Re: ebola virus , <alonmarcus@w...> wrote:> In vitro bioassays for anti-viral activity are available> In vitro does not mean it will work in VIVO> AlonI think steven says that below: "However in vitro assays don't necessarily detect the potentiation of secondary activity such as an herb that enhances phagocytic activity which consequently reduces viral load. To detect that type ofresponse an animal model is more appropriate..."Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2000 Report Share Posted July 26, 2000 wrote: > Look for the new " Wen Bing Theory " text from Paradigm Press. It's hot. ha ha. : ) -- Al Stone L.Ac. <AlStone http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Attachment: vcard [not shown] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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