Guest guest Posted September 20, 2000 Report Share Posted September 20, 2000 Peter I can give you a few cents worth about liver qi stagnation herbs. Chai hu: can definately cause trouble to yin xu people.Even if they don't seem to have strong yin xu symptoms I find that it can trigger night sweats for example. Xiang fu: can also be a bit warming and drying ,but if I use with fu ling it seems to piss the heat out. Xuan fu hua:one of my teachers told me that it has changed over the centuries ,or was recorded incorrectly,and will often cause nausea instead of treating it and advised only low doese ,eg less than 3 grams.He thinks the herb is more cold than warm. Yin Chen hao :is interesting,make sure there is strong damp heat in liv/GB ..If you give it to a healthy person as we tried as students ,you will wake up really exhausted ,really hard to make a fist etc . Yu Jin:Steve Clavey uses it in large doses ,at least 6 qian/18 grams for depression . Ju Hua:taken from ACMERC journal by Steve Clavey,it can drain as well as tonify (the liver).[Carbonised ju hua: causes it to enter the blood ,searching out wind so that wind can be settled and blood is quieted.] Taken over a long period of time prevents aging. For those using their eyes everyday ,use with gou qi zi and you will never get eye problems. Mai Ya : I use a lot ,often substituting chai hu with mai ya. Mu hu die: one of my favorites ,no contra indications He huan hua: also great for depression type stuff ( I use it with yu jin) Heiko Lade Registered Acupuncturist / Chinese Herbalist 2 Jenkins St. Green Island, Dunedin New Zealand Tel: (03) 488 4086, Fax: (03) 488 4012 http://www.lade.com/heiko Email: heiko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2000 Report Share Posted September 20, 2000 These were nice reminders about Liver Stagnation herbs. I had forgotten about the liver Qi aspects of Mai Ya. Personally I like Bo He for Liver Qi Stagnation, especially for the new patients skeptical about the taste of the herbs. Also to be obvious: Chai Hu is usually used with Bai Shao that moderates the harsh aspects of Chai Hu. >Chai hu: can definately cause trouble to yin xu people.Even if they don't >seem to have strong yin xu symptoms I find that it can trigger night sweats >for example. L.Ac. acupuncture & herbs safe, compassionate care 1823 Wilshire Blvd. #610 Santa Monica, CA 90403 310 264-9197 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2000 Report Share Posted September 20, 2000 I can give you a few cents worth about liver qi stagnation herbs.Chai hu: can definately cause trouble to yin xu people.Even if they don'tseem to have strong yin xu symptoms I find that it can trigger night sweatsfor example. >>>>>Most of my better herb teachers use Chi hu with great care. They almost never use it long term alon - heiko Wednesday, September 20, 2000 2:14 AM Re: chai hu PeterI can give you a few cents worth about liver qi stagnation herbs.Chai hu: can definately cause trouble to yin xu people.Even if they don'tseem to have strong yin xu symptoms I find that it can trigger night sweatsfor example.Xiang fu: can also be a bit warming and drying ,but if I use with fu ling itseems to piss the heat out.Xuan fu hua:one of my teachers told me that it has changed over thecenturies ,or was recorded incorrectly,and will often cause nausea insteadof treating it and advised only low doese ,eg less than 3 grams.He thinksthe herb is more cold than warm.Yin Chen hao :is interesting,make sure there is strong damp heat in liv/GB.If you give it to a healthy person as we tried as students ,you will wakeup really exhausted ,really hard to make a fist etc .Yu Jin:Steve Clavey uses it in large doses ,at least 6 qian/18 grams fordepression .Ju Hua:taken from ACMERC journal by Steve Clavey,it can drain as well astonify (the liver).[Carbonised ju hua: causes it to enter the blood,searching out wind so that wind can be settled and blood is quieted.]Taken over a long period of time prevents aging.For those using their eyes everyday ,use with gou qi zi and you will neverget eye problems.Mai Ya : I use a lot ,often substituting chai hu with mai ya.Mu hu die: one of my favorites ,no contra indicationsHe huan hua: also great for depression type stuff ( I use it with yu jin)Heiko LadeRegistered Acupuncturist / Chinese Herbalist2 Jenkins St.Green Island, DunedinNew ZealandTel: (03) 488 4086, Fax: (03) 488 4012http://www.lade.com/heikoEmail: heikoThe Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2000 Report Share Posted September 20, 2000 One thing that hasn't been mentioned about chai hu that is significant is that it raises the yang qi, whereas xiang fu and other liver medicinals generally do not. Therefore, it is contraindicated in patients with counterflow liver qi, with dizziness, tremor and the like. For example, it is combined with huang qi and sheng ma in bu zhong yi qi tang, partially for its ability to raise the clear yang in cases of spleen qi vacuity. > > These were nice reminders about Liver Stagnation herbs. I had forgotten > about the liver Qi aspects of Mai Ya. > Personally I like Bo He for Liver Qi Stagnation, especially for the new > patients skeptical about the taste of the herbs. > > Also to be obvious: Chai Hu is usually used with Bai Shao that moderates > the harsh aspects of Chai Hu. > > > >> Chai hu: can definately cause trouble to yin xu people.Even if they don't >> seem to have strong yin xu symptoms I find that it can trigger night sweats >> for example. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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