RE: chai hu -- lv qi stag vs. depression (yu)

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I read somewhere an interesting breakdown of chai hu's action dependent upon the dose: For Example, 1-3 grams does X, 3-4.5 does Y and 4.5-9 does Z. I can't seem to find it, does anywhere have this breakdown. Qin Bowei mentions this dose dependent functionality, but does not say what the doses are and what they mean.

 

Also, Qin Bowei says since the qi and taste are light there is no grave risk of injuring yin/ plundering fluids. Although he differentiates liver qi stagnation into 2 categories worth exploring:

Lv Qi and LV qi Depression. Chai Hu is indicated for the latter, while herbs like xiang fu and qing Pi for the former (with horizontal counterflow).

 

I think an important concept that our western minds seem to overlook (maybe already mentioned) is that chai hu's functions (as with other herbs also) are "entirely dependent upon the medicinals that assist it."

 

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alonmarcus [alonmarcus]Wednesday, September 20, 2000 9:39 AM Subject: Re: Re: chai hu

 

I can give you a few cents worth about liver qi stagnation herbs.Chai hu: can definately cause trouble to yin xu people.Even if they don'tseem to have strong yin xu symptoms I find that it can trigger night sweatsfor example.

>>>>>Most of my better herb teachers use Chi hu with great care. They almost never use it long term

alon

 

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heiko

Wednesday, September 20, 2000 2:14 AM

Re: chai hu

 

PeterI can give you a few cents worth about liver qi stagnation herbs.Chai hu: can definately cause trouble to yin xu people.Even if they don'tseem to have strong yin xu symptoms I find that it can trigger night sweatsfor example.Xiang fu: can also be a bit warming and drying ,but if I use with fu ling itseems to piss the heat out.Xuan fu hua:one of my teachers told me that it has changed over thecenturies ,or was recorded incorrectly,and will often cause nausea insteadof treating it and advised only low doese ,eg less than 3 grams.He thinksthe herb is more cold than warm.Yin Chen hao :is interesting,make sure there is strong damp heat in liv/GB.If you give it to a healthy person as we tried as students ,you will wakeup really exhausted ,really hard to make a fist etc .Yu Jin:Steve Clavey uses it in large doses ,at least 6 qian/18 grams fordepression .Ju Hua:taken from ACMERC journal by Steve Clavey,it can drain as well astonify (the liver).[Carbonised ju hua: causes it to enter the blood,searching out wind so that wind can be settled and blood is quieted.]Taken over a long period of time prevents aging.For those using their eyes everyday ,use with gou qi zi and you will neverget eye problems.Mai Ya : I use a lot ,often substituting chai hu with mai ya.Mu hu die: one of my favorites ,no contra indicationsHe huan hua: also great for depression type stuff ( I use it with yu jin)Heiko LadeRegistered Acupuncturist / Chinese Herbalist2 Jenkins St.Green Island, DunedinNew ZealandTel: (03) 488 4086, Fax: (03) 488 4012http://www.lade.com/heikoEmail: heikoThe Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education.