Guest guest Posted September 23, 2000 Report Share Posted September 23, 2000 According to springwind herbs, there is a ginseng contamination alert. I reproduce the notice below and suggest these issues are going to worsen in the years to come. Ginseng is a valuable world commodity and unless we boycott routinely contaminated herbs, the Chinese will have no interest in complying with US law on this matter. No agricorporation is going to risk losing a 3 year old ginseng crop to fungus as long we continue to blindly purchase the material. If you puchase from a company other than springwind, I suggest you contact your supplier to sort out this matter for your patients' sake. > Here's the scoop: > There is a fungicide called Quintazine (sp?) which is considered by the FDA > to be very toxic. The FDA does not permit it in Ren Shen, although it is > used extensively in the growing or processing (I'm not sure which) of Ren > Shen. The FDA does, however, permit Quintazine in some green vegetables. > No details on that. Spring Wind has been systematically testing it's most > commonly used herbs for chemicals and hadn't gotten down the list yet to Ren > Shen when this news about this came to them, so they tested their Chinese > Ren Shen and found it contains this fungicide. Now they are searching for a > source of Chinese Ren Shen sans Quintezine, and at this time do not have any > Chinese ginseng to sell. -- Chinese Herbal Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2000 Report Share Posted September 23, 2000 REGARDING: Quintozene-free ginseng About two years ago I started looking into the availability of quintozene free ginseng. Here are some of the things that I learned at that time and communicated in a previous email exchange. Excerpts are pasted below. The sources for quintozene-free ginseng in China are mostly from farmers in two different growing areas in Heilongjiang, one of the northern provinces. Right now (11-98) there are only about 100 tons of quintozene-free raw materials still available on the market, although the annual harvest for quintozene-free ginseng has been around 1,000 tons during the past two years. Cost of raw materials varies for different parts of the ginseng plant. In the past three years there has been increasing demand for this type of product in Japan, Europe and America so farmers are paying more attention to what chemicals they use to grow ginseng. There is now a farm that is cultivating quintozene-free ginseng on fields which cover over 15,000 square meters. However this farm is only a couple of years old so the ginseng is still young and has not yet reached high levels of ginsinoside potency. According to Chinese standards, ginseng that is tested to have less than 0.2ppm quintozene is accepted as quintozene-free. Since the US standard and detection limit is substantially less at 0.01ppm of quintozene, we have had to test each batch that is being considered for purchase. Part of the problem is that residual quintozene is in the soil from previous years of use and can show up in the plant. However, extraction processing using certain processing techniques has shown to lower the quintozene content in the final ginseng powder. A communication from our Chinese JV partner (Jan. 99): As you know, the scarcity of the Q-free ginseng is a problem, sourcing this kind of ginseng is not as easy as sourcing others, however, we have communicated with several suppliers, but the quantity available is not large. I do not know how much you know about the degree of ginseng in China. We call the large and nice ginseng root as " high quality ginseng " , and small and ugly ones as " normal ginseng " . This is a traditional criteria, " high quality " does not refer to the content of ginsenosides or chemical residues, but just the looks, in fact, normal ginseng contains as much (if not more) ginsenosides as high quality ginseng, and as the raw materials are grown in the same soil condition, the content of chemical residues are the same. There is a large gap between the price of high quality ginseng and normal ginseng, so it is definitely wiser to use normal ginseng instead of high quality ginseng if we want to lower the cost and get a better quotation. Unfortunately, there is not much normal ginseng available in China, because the growers send the normal ginseng to pharmaceuticals as materials, and keep high quality ginseng in inventory waiting for exports in order to pursue higher profit margins. So if Botanica places a large order, say, 20 metric tons, then we have to use a lot of high quality ginseng as material which is much more expensive, but only nicer looking, not better than the cheaper material. So this is a ridiculous situation, the more you buy, the higher the price will be. Stephen Morrissey OMD Saturday, September 23, 2000 11:32 AM cha ginseng and fungicides According to springwind herbs, there is a ginseng contamination alert. I reproduce the notice below and suggest these issues are going to worsen in the years to come. Ginseng is a valuable world commodity and unless we boycott routinely contaminated herbs, the Chinese will have no interest in complying with US law on this matter. No agricorporation is going to risk losing a 3 year old ginseng crop to fungus as long we continue to blindly purchase the material. If you puchase from a company other than springwind, I suggest you contact your supplier to sort out this matter for your patients' sake. > Here's the scoop: > There is a fungicide called Quintazine (sp?) which is considered by the FDA > to be very toxic. The FDA does not permit it in Ren Shen, although it is > used extensively in the growing or processing (I'm not sure which) of Ren > Shen. The FDA does, however, permit Quintazine in some green vegetables. > No details on that. Spring Wind has been systematically testing it's most > commonly used herbs for chemicals and hadn't gotten down the list yet to Ren > Shen when this news about this came to them, so they tested their Chinese > Ren Shen and found it contains this fungicide. Now they are searching for a > source of Chinese Ren Shen sans Quintezine, and at this time do not have any > Chinese ginseng to sell. -- Chinese Herbal Medicine Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2000 Report Share Posted September 23, 2000 on 9/23/00 3:02 PM, stephen at stephen wrote: > > REGARDING: Quintozene-free ginseng > > About two years ago I started looking into the availability of quintozene > free ginseng. Here are some of the things that I learned at that time and > communicated in a previous email exchange. Excerpts are pasted below. > > The sources for quintozene-free ginseng in China are mostly from farmers in > two different growing areas in Heilongjiang, one of the northern provinces. > Right now (11-98) there are only about 100 tons of quintozene-free raw > materials still available on the market, although the annual harvest for > quintozene-free ginseng has been around 1,000 tons during the past two > years. Cost of raw materials varies for different parts of the ginseng > plant. In the past three years there has been increasing demand for this > type of product in Japan, Europe and America so farmers are paying more > attention to what chemicals they use to grow ginseng. There is now a farm > that is cultivating quintozene-free ginseng on fields which cover over > 15,000 square meters. However this farm is only a couple of years old so > the ginseng is still young and has not yet reached high levels of > ginsinoside potency. > > According to Chinese standards, ginseng that is tested to have less than > 0.2ppm quintozene is accepted as quintozene-free. Since the US standard > and detection limit is substantially less at 0.01ppm of quintozene, we have > had to test each batch that is being considered for purchase. Part of the > problem is that residual quintozene is in the soil from previous years of > use and can show up in the plant. However, extraction processing using > certain processing techniques has shown to lower the quintozene content in > the final ginseng powder. > > A communication from our Chinese JV partner (Jan. 99): > As you know, the scarcity of the Q-free ginseng is a problem, sourcing this > kind of ginseng is not as easy as sourcing others, however, we have > communicated with several suppliers, but the quantity available is not > large. I do not know how much you know about the degree of ginseng in China. > We call the large and nice ginseng root as " high quality ginseng " , and small > and ugly ones as " normal ginseng " . This is a traditional criteria, " high > quality " does not refer to the content of ginsenosides or chemical residues, > but just the looks, in fact, normal ginseng contains as much (if not more) > ginsenosides as high quality ginseng, and as the raw materials are grown in > the same soil condition, the content of chemical residues are the same. > There is a large gap between the price of high quality ginseng and normal > ginseng, so it is definitely wiser to use normal ginseng instead of high > quality ginseng if we want to lower the cost and get a better quotation. > Unfortunately, there is not much normal ginseng available in China, because > the growers send the normal ginseng to pharmaceuticals as materials, and > keep high quality ginseng in inventory waiting for exports in order to > pursue higher profit margins. So if Botanica places a large order, say, 20 > metric tons, then we have to use a lot of high quality ginseng as material > which is much more expensive, but only nicer looking, not better than the > cheaper material. So this is a ridiculous situation, the more you buy, the > higher the price will be. > > > Stephen Morrissey OMD > > > Saturday, September 23, 2000 11:32 AM > cha > ginseng and fungicides > > According to springwind herbs, there is a ginseng contamination alert. > I reproduce the notice below and suggest these issues are going to > worsen in the years to come. Ginseng is a valuable world commodity and > unless we boycott routinely contaminated herbs, the Chinese will have no > interest in complying with US law on this matter. No agricorporation is > going to risk losing a 3 year old ginseng crop to fungus as long we > continue to blindly purchase the material. If you puchase from a > company other than springwind, I suggest you contact your supplier to > sort out this matter for your patients' sake. > >> Here's the scoop: >> There is a fungicide called Quintazine (sp?) which is considered by > the FDA >> to be very toxic. The FDA does not permit it in Ren Shen, although it > is >> used extensively in the growing or processing (I'm not sure which) of > Ren >> Shen. The FDA does, however, permit Quintazine in some green > vegetables. >> No details on that. Spring Wind has been systematically testing it's > most >> commonly used herbs for chemicals and hadn't gotten down the list yet > to Ren >> Shen when this news about this came to them, so they tested their > Chinese >> Ren Shen and found it contains this fungicide. Now they are searching > for a >> source of Chinese Ren Shen sans Quintezine, and at this time do not > have any >> Chinese ginseng to sell. > > -- > > Director > Chinese Herbal Medicine > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare > practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing > in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, > including board approved online continuing education. > > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare > practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing > in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, > including board approved online continuing education. > > > > Stephen, Thank you for sharing this with us. Andy Ellis also alerted me to this on the phone two weeks ago, and I discussed this with Todd. thanks for following up on our discussion. 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