Diabetes and TCM

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In a message dated 00-11-02 23:30:05 EST, you write:

 

<< So first question ,has anyone on the list ever gotten anyone totally off

medication with TCM treatment? >>

 

When in school, I did my research in diabetes, and have been treating it ever

since in practice. Blood sugars drop substantially with acupuncture

treatment, all of my patients have come off their oral meds, and required

insulin units typically drop by 40%. The IHS doctors I deal with on the

reservation are very reluctant to increase the monitoring of their patients,

(which is required as blood sugar drops so quickly) and quite resistant to

adjusting insulin levels. For this reason, none have been taken off insulin

to date.

As to symptoms as a result of acupuncture only (no herbs), I have seen

substantial weight loss, decreased depression, increased energy, feeling

return to toes, drop in thirst, improved vision, and blood sugars returned to

the normal range and hold for longer periods of time after each treatment.

The Chinese literature assumes diabetes is curable, and I have found no

reason to question that claim from what I have seen.

 

Gina Gabrielle

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Gina Gabrielle wrote:

 

>When in school, I did my research in diabetes, and have been treating it ever

>since in practice. Blood sugars drop substantially with acupuncture

>treatment, all of my patients have come off their oral meds, and required

>insulin units typically drop by 40%. The IHS doctors I deal with on the

>reservation are very reluctant to increase the monitoring of their patients,

>(which is required as blood sugar drops so quickly) and quite resistant to

>adjusting insulin levels. For this reason, none have been taken off insulin

>to date.

>As to symptoms as a result of acupuncture only (no herbs), I have seen

>substantial weight loss, decreased depression, increased energy, feeling

>return to toes, drop in thirst, improved vision, and blood sugars returned to

>the normal range and hold for longer periods of time after each treatment.

>The Chinese literature assumes diabetes is curable, and I have found no

>reason to question that claim from what I have seen.

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Do you have good clinical documentation of this? If so, you could do

a small retrospective study which would be of interest to us all; I'm

sure one of our journals would publish it. You could also use it as

the basis to raise grant money for a further prospective study. BTW,

where are you?

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When in school, I did my research in diabetes, and have been treating it ever since in practice. Blood sugars drop substantially with acupuncture treatment, all of my patients have come off their oral meds, and required insulin units typically drop by 40%.

>>>Interesting perhaps you should teach your protocols in China

alon

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Do you have good clinical documentation of this? If so, you could do a small retrospective study which would be of interest to us all; I'm sure one of our journals would publish it. You could also use it as the basis to raise grant money for a further prospective study. BTW, where are you?>>>>Absolutely. This could change acupuncture in the West for ever, since blood sugars and I hope you also monitored Hb A1, are completely objective signs, and a 40% is a huge drop. I would be very happy to help write it up if you have conformable data

Alon

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As to a dibetes protocol, it was developed through a thorough review of the

literature coming out of China from 1990 thru 1998. Protocols match one of

three symptom patterns.

I am currently seeking funding thru NIH-OAM for acupuncture clinical trials,

but they have not offered this type of funding since 1998. I also have a

medical division of a major university interested in sponsoring further

research, but getting into a snag since they want to run a double-blind and I

have trouble with this both ethically as well as practically, (since there is

no such thing as fake acupuncture points- either you puncture the body or you

dont). The Diabetes Assoc and CDCs, although claiming that they are seeking

low-cost alternatives for the treatment and management of diabetes, are not

interested in anything but lower priced insulin/NPH cocktails.

Yes, I have thorough documentation, and yes, the Hb A1c is utilized. However,

I prefer daily blood sugar monitoring as the HbA1c shows an average over

time, and as blood sugar drops quickly, the A1c is utilized mostly for

back-up verification.

Significant drops in strip test readings are observable the next day - 25-28

points being the average, although some fell as low as 68 points below the

last reading after the first treatment. I prefer treating patients 2-3 times

per week at first, then level off. Results can be seen in weekly visits as

well. The most significant decrese in insulin units was observed from a

schedule of 3 treatments per week for 8 weeks. The Chinese protocol is daily

treatments over many weeks followed by a break, followed by another series of

treatments, etc, but this is difficult to achieve on an outpatient basis in

this country.

 

As diabetes is primarily a disease of metabolism, if you just treat this, in

most cases you will see results. Be careful of over-using leg points, as

diabetics tend to bruise and bleed easily and heal very slowly. Dialysis

patients are more difficult, but the renal therapists I deal with report that

those patients receiving acupuncture appear stronger and produce better

readings than the others. I am just now starting to treat more of these

patients, so I have no further information on dialysis at this time.

 

I am currently in northern Minnesota but will be returning to New York before

the end of the year. If any of you are close to Indian Country, I beg you to

offer your services, for diabetes runs over 60% in most Indian communities,

amputation rates are astronomical, and more and more children are being

placed on insulin. In fact, diabetes is up 33% nation-wide across all

nationalities and age groups. I believe TCM has much to offer toward the

mangement and cure of this disease, so if any of you are seriously interested

in helping me tackle this, please email.

G.Gabrielle

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I am interested in your diabetes protocols. When I was a student, the director of our school (S.E. Institute of O.M.) took me and another student to participate in a health fair at the Miccosukee Health Clinic out west of Miami in the Everglades. Diabetes and obesity are prevalent. The people were receptive to acupuncture.

 

Thanks.

 

Sherril Gold, AP

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, but getting into a snag since they want to run a double-blind and I have trouble with this both ethically as well as practically, (since there is no such thing as fake acupuncture points- either you puncture the body or you dont). The Diabetes Assoc and CDCs, although claiming that they are seeking low-cost alternatives for the treatment and management of diabetes, are not interested in anything but lower priced insulin/NPH cocktails

>>>Can you collect objective lab data on 10 patients? this than should be published.Hb A1c is tells you more on long term control and therefor more important. Blood suges are snap shots at a time

alon