Guest guest Posted November 16, 2000 Report Share Posted November 16, 2000 Dear All, I saw my name come up in a discussion of fu xie. This has been a topic of interest and confusion for me for quite a few years now. The attached file contains translations of some of the more clinically useful ideas I've come across in the source literature. Also included are glosses of what I think the various passages mean in terms of applying them in clinical practice. I'm not likely to formally publish it any time soon. I've been sitting on it until such time as I was confident that I wouldn't end up flaunting my ignorance of the subject and that's nowhere in sight. Nevertheless, it has been my experience that some of the ideas presented in the file produce reliable clinical results in treating respiratory tract infections. In my admittedly limited experience, the Western medical concepts of respiratory tract or pulmonary diseases can be quite are amenable to fu-xie treatments. However, I've found that while other diseases such as CFIDS/EBV may reflect a Chinese medical " lung " involvement they don't respond reliably to evicting strategies. The recent POX posts may (hopefully) enlarge my perspective on this. As you'll see, this material is definitely a discussion draft and its not for publication or citation outside the context of this discussion group. That said, maybe it will be of some use. Sincerely, Chip Chace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2000 Report Share Posted November 16, 2000 Chip, The attached file didn't come through on my email. Could you try to resubmit it again? I am looking forward to reading it. Thanks. Kristin kwisgirda - <cwchace Thursday, November 16, 2000 3:09 PM Latent Heat > Dear All, > I saw my name come up in a discussion of fu xie. This has been a topic of > interest and confusion for me for quite a few years now. The attached file > contains translations of some of the more clinically useful ideas I've come > across in the source literature. Also included are glosses of what I think > the various passages mean in terms of applying them in clinical practice. I'm > not likely to formally publish it any time soon. I've been sitting on it > until such time as I was confident that I wouldn't end up flaunting my > ignorance of the subject and that's nowhere in sight. Nevertheless, it has > been my experience that some of the ideas presented in the file produce > reliable clinical results in treating respiratory tract infections. In my > admittedly limited experience, the Western medical concepts of respiratory > tract or pulmonary diseases can be quite are amenable to fu-xie treatments. > However, I've found that while other diseases such as CFIDS/EBV may reflect a > Chinese medical " lung " involvement they don't respond reliably to evicting > strategies. The recent POX posts may (hopefully) enlarge my perspective on > this. > > As you'll see, this material is definitely a discussion draft and its not for > publication or citation outside the context of this discussion group. That > said, maybe it will be of some use. > > Sincerely, > > Chip Chace > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. > > > > _____NetZero Free Internet Access and Email______ http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2000 Report Share Posted November 16, 2000 , <kwisgirda@n...> wrote: > Chip, > > The attached file didn't come through on my email. Could you try to resubmit > it again? I am looking forward to reading it. Thanks. > Kristin > kwisgirda@n... I didn't get it either. If anyone ever has trouble sending a file to the group, send it to me direct and I will take care of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2000 Report Share Posted November 16, 2000 , cwchace@a... wrote: In my > admittedly limited experience, the Western medical concepts of respiratory > tract or pulmonary diseases can be quite are amenable to fu-xie treatments. > However, I've found that while other diseases such as CFIDS/EBV may reflect a > Chinese medical " lung " involvement they don't respond reliably to evicting > strategies. I have had the same experience. good luck in chronic recurring respiratory infection. But I have found the yan de xin's theories of blood stasis in combination with li dong yuan's theory of yin fire to be more effective in treating (but not curing) autoimmunity and immune deficiency than the concept of fu xie. Admittedly, this may be due to my better understanding of the former strategies than the latter. Some folks seem to knee jerk categorize all chronic viral induced diseases as being equivalent to latent heat. However, despite the obvious similarity between these ideas, I do not think they are identical. I treat a lot of hepatitis C, for example and rarely see patients who actually present with symptoms of shaoyin exteriorizing through taiyang. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2000 Report Share Posted November 16, 2000 Some interesting food for thought on latent heat and autoimmune disease: 1) Recent research published in the Journal of Neuroscience Research indicates that MS patients have a deficiency in an important neurotransmitter. It is proposed that this neurotransmitter may be destroyed by an infectious agent, and the fact that blood tests have indicated that many MS patients supposedly have abnormally high levels of measles virus antibodies in their cerebrospinal fluid. (from Elaine Delack's Hypothesis of MS) 2) In China, an experimental treatment being used with Leukemia patients is to expose them to measles virus. One source ( " Treatment of Leukemia by TCM " ) reports remission in some patients. 3) In the Organon of Samuel Hahnemann, O'Reilly translation, there is a section on one disease displacing the other (pg. 87, section 40, verse 2): " when two dissimilar acute infectious diseases meet, (such as smallpox and measles), one usually suspends the other. " (pg 89: section 43): " when two similar diseases meet, the stronger new disease cures the older, weaker one. " 4) Some American physicians are treating Lupus patients by injecting them with measles virus. I have no reports of cures or remissions with this method, but it is interesting, to say the least. I am investigating leads on this method presently. 5) The final thought, a very controversial one: is the high level of measles virus in MS patients related to vaccines? One study in Israel showed that the rate of MS is much higher in Israel than surrounding Arab countries (we may have to discount poor reporting methods in those countries). The vaccination rate is also much higher in Israel than surrounding areas. Authors such as Richard Moskowitz, M.D., have proposed that reactions to combinations of vaccines may be a culprit in the development of autoimmune diseases. 6) My hypothesis on this from a Chinese medicine perspective (totally original thought, however) is that injecting disease pathogens directly into the blood stream (whether killed or attenuated virus, disease toxin or protein coats), in bypassing the yang layers of defensive or qi aspect (or three yang channels), enters the yin layers of the body, where antibodies will be produced (the desired response), but also may lock the body in a stalemate in trying to reject the pathogenic material. This is compounded with combination vaccines, where the body is dealing with pathogenic material from several sources at the same time. This may confuse the body's yin layers of defense, leading to immuno-compromise. Another recent article on autoimmune disease stated that autoimmune disease may be a result of the body not only attacking itself, but trying to clear a latent pathogen from the blood and being unsuccessful. Anyway, food for thought. These are some of the things crossing my mind on these issues recently. Any feedback? I think some interesting pages in medical history are about to turn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2000 Report Share Posted November 16, 2000 Z'ev, All your points in your letter were fascinating and very... Sherlock Holmesian. But especially #6 below ('oh, and one more thing,' says Colombo) buttonholed my attention enough to ask about the " recent article on autoimmune disease... " What is that from and where might one access it? I'd appreciate looking at it. Thanx, Ann Brameier > 5) The final thought, a very controversial one: is the high level of > measles virus in MS patients related to vaccines? One study in Israel > showed that the rate of MS is much higher in Israel than surrounding Arab > countries (we may have to discount poor reporting methods in those > countries). The vaccination rate is also much higher in Israel than > surrounding areas. Authors such as Richard Moskowitz, M.D., have proposed > that reactions to combinations of vaccines may be a culprit in the > development of autoimmune diseases. > > 6) My hypothesis on this from a Chinese medicine perspective (totally > original thought, however) is that injecting disease pathogens directly into > the blood stream (whether killed or attenuated virus, disease toxin or > protein coats), in bypassing the yang layers of defensive or qi aspect (or > three yang channels), enters the yin layers of the body, where antibodies > will be produced (the desired response), but also may lock the body in a > stalemate in trying to reject the pathogenic material. This is compounded > with combination vaccines, where the body is dealing with pathogenic > material from several sources at the same time. This may confuse the body's > yin layers of defense, leading to immuno-compromise. Another recent article > on autoimmune disease stated that autoimmune disease may be a result of the > body not only attacking itself, but trying to clear a latent pathogen from > the blood and being unsuccessful. > > Anyway, food for thought. These are some of the things crossing my mind on > these issues recently. > > Any feedback? I think some interesting pages in medical history are about > to turn. > > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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