Guest guest Posted November 16, 2000 Report Share Posted November 16, 2000 What I believe is that the measles virus has sunk to the interior instead of being being alowed to express itself.That may be due to incorrect or no treatment as in most cases .In the interior it brews and transforms possibly into something else (a viral quasispecies in western terms).Perhaps these people have weak proper qi (can someone tell me what the official Wiseman term for this is) and insufficient jing so it can never ie the measles pathogen expell itself ......in western terms it may go to the brain as Z'ev explained or I believe to the chong mai where that vessel spreads it qi and measles pathogen to the wei level. Thats why I feel and have experienced that treating according to zang /fu stuff the symptoms of HIV/MS etc doesn't work.The pathogen needs to be expelled.I believe then the condition will be cured.Just presribing spleen tonics to an MS patient manifesting SP xu signs is just trying to deal with the MS attacks without addressing the attack itself. It was interesting to me that western medicine made a connection with MS and the measles already in the early 70's and historically Chinese medicine placed importance on expelling counterflowing measles pathogens yet no one thought to try using ge gen ,fu ping ,niu pung zi, chan tui ,zi cao etc on MS patients to try expell the pathogen .Any way I tried ................and MS patients break out into funny skin spots etc. Sometimes I think pathogens can be expelled such as measles but with hep B etc it may have to be killed.In China apparantly there are many cases where the patients blood tests have shown them to become immune after herbal Rx Heiko Lade Registered Acupuncturist / Chinese Herbalist 2 Jenkins St. Green Island, Dunedin New Zealand Tel: (03) 488 4086, Fax: (03) 488 4012 http://www.lade.com/heiko Email: heiko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2000 Report Share Posted November 16, 2000 Thanx for the response ... very interesting.. could you elaborate on your last statement about the patients being immune after herbal rx. what was that (immune) to? and is that from any translated journals? I especially agree with your zang-fu statements.. It has always puzzled be how (i.e.) tonifying sp qi xu (or whatever) was going to deal with any of these serious problems/ pathogens... Would like to hear what others say... -Jason > > heiko [heiko] > Thursday, November 16, 2000 12:30 PM > > Re: measles/MS/Jason > > > What I believe is that the measles virus has sunk to the interior > instead of > being being alowed to express itself.That may be due to incorrect or no > treatment as in most cases .In the interior it brews and transforms > possibly into something else (a viral quasispecies in western > terms).Perhaps > these people have weak proper qi (can someone tell me what the official > Wiseman term for this is) and insufficient jing so it can never ie the > measles pathogen expell itself ......in western terms it may go to the > brain as Z'ev explained or I believe to the chong mai where that vessel > spreads it qi and measles pathogen to the wei level. > > Thats why I feel and have experienced that treating according to zang /fu > stuff the symptoms of HIV/MS etc doesn't work.The pathogen needs to be > expelled.I believe then the condition will be cured.Just presribing spleen > tonics to an MS patient manifesting SP xu signs is just trying to > deal with > the MS attacks without addressing the attack itself. > > It was interesting to me that western medicine made a connection > with MS and > the measles already in the early 70's and historically Chinese medicine > placed importance on expelling counterflowing measles pathogens yet no one > thought to try using ge gen ,fu ping ,niu pung zi, chan tui ,zi > cao etc on > MS patients to try expell the pathogen .Any way I tried > ................and > MS patients break out into funny skin spots etc. > > Sometimes I think pathogens can be expelled such as measles but with hep B > etc it may have to be killed.In China apparantly there are many > cases where > the patients blood tests have shown them to become immune after herbal Rx > > > Heiko Lade > Registered Acupuncturist / Chinese Herbalist > 2 Jenkins St. > Green Island, Dunedin > New Zealand > Tel: (03) 488 4086, Fax: (03) 488 4012 > http://www.lade.com/heiko > Email: heiko > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed > healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate > academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a > variety of professional services, including board approved online > continuing education. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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