Guest guest Posted December 14, 2000 Report Share Posted December 14, 2000 There was an issue of the JCM a couple/few issues back I think entitled Fengfu DU 16 and talks about deep needling on that point to Rx PD....scary stuff!! Sorry I can't give exact JCM issue as I am in proces of moving and all is packed away. Heiko Lade Registered Acupuncturist / Chinese Herbalist 2 Jenkins St. Green Island, Dunedin New Zealand Tel: (03) 488 4086, Fax: (03) 488 4012 http://www.lade.com/heiko Email: heiko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2001 Report Share Posted January 11, 2001 Do any of you have experience treating Parkensons Disease? I have been treating a 52 year old man, diagnosed w/ Parkensons last year. He has a tremor in his right arm and stiffness in his legs - particularly in the GB and UB channels of the lower leg. He also frequntly has the feeling of pressure (I would say heaviness) at the forehead which sometimes extends to the temporals. When he is more out of balance - he gets a clammy sweat on his forehear as well. He has a lot of stress running his contracting business, and is often overwhelmed. His BM's are erratic, sometimes loose and sometimes not. He is somewhat overweight, and now has difficulty exercising due to the stiffness in his legs. He can only walk on the treadmill for a few minutes before having to stop and rest for a couple, then start again. His toungue is swollen,slightly tremulous, reddish at the tip (sometimes sides) and usually has a bit of slightly yellow coating in the center. His pulse is variable, but most often I feel a thin wiry pulse on the left and a soggy or slippery pulse with no root on the right. (The sense of slippery kind of falls away in the deep positions.) It is also slightly rapid. In his dx I see: spleen qi xu with dampness, liver wind with a phlegm component. Some heat (heart, liver, damp) and an underlying kidney xu. I also have been using the idea of wind damp obstructing the channels. He is taking a number of western nutritional supplements including glutathione injections, and some hormone replacement (testosterone and DHEA). Any suggestions would be appreciated as he is a very complex case. Also if any of you have references to some written literature about TCM and Parkensons - that would be great. I haven't found much more than Maciocia. Thanks, Nan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2001 Report Share Posted January 11, 2001 Hi Nan, I do not personally have experience treating Parkinsons, but here's a good potential resource for you: www.pdtreatment.com This site is run by the Parkinson's Recovery Project, a group of acupuncturists who have a new and very interesting theory about the cause of and treatment of Parkinson's Disease. Their training manual can be downloaded for free or you can purchase it and have it mailed for something like $35.00 (which is essentially the cost of xeroxing and binding it). The author's theory, based on her clinical experience, is that many/most cases of Parkinson's result from early injury to the Stomach channel around ST 42 (ummmm, is this Nei Ting? I cannot remember). Essentially, Parkinson's, according to them, is a channel pathology, NOT an organ pathology. The initial treatment involves a very yin form of tui na to correct the energetic blockage/damage done to the channel at this point. I have not completed reading the book, so that's about all I can say. However, a few points I find interesting. The people espousing the theory are clearly committed to their research and efforts. (1) they make the book available for free. (2) their website has useful information to patients with Parkinson's. (3) they offer certification, but require you to treat at least four patients with Parkinson's for free and you must demonstrate success in ameliorating symptoms (significantly) with at least two of those four patients. In other words, if there's a gimmick here, it's invisible to me. Even if you think they're mad or this is nonsense, I encourage everyone on the listserv to check out the website and read the section on her experiences that led to her development of this channel pathology theory and how the damage to the channel leads to qi essentially jumping gaps across channels into incorrect flow patterns. If she's mad, she's also brilliant. While this may not help your specific case, I hope it provides a little insight to future cases. Jeff _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2001 Report Share Posted January 12, 2001 Bob Flaws has an article on acupuncture protocol for Parkinson's in the current on-line Blue Poppy Journal referred to in Todd's recent post. I believe this is the url: http://www.bluepoppy.com/press/journal/index.cfm Ann Brameier - <acunan > Do any of you have experience treating Parkensons Disease? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2001 Report Share Posted January 12, 2001 Jeff, Thanks for the reply. I have the book and have been using the ideas in her protocal. I do a lot of bodywork with my patients - (Craniosacral, Visceral manipulation) and her forceless tui na seems similar. Anyway, I haven't seen a big difference as of yet. I even avoided needling for a while, but my sense is that my patient was responding better when I was trying scalp acupuncture. Anyway, since that isn't the discussion here...I'm looking for some deeper herbal insight. Has anyone else seen similar patterns of PD? Do I need to use large doses of eliminate wind herbs to see a difference(Di Long, Tian Ma, etc)? I have been using granulars with this patient. Thanks again, Nan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2001 Report Share Posted January 12, 2001 > Bob Flaws has- an article on acupuncture protocol for Parkinson's in the > current on-line Blue Poppy Journal referred to in Todd's recent post. I > believe this is the url: http://www.bluepoppy.com/press/journal/index.cfm > > Ann Brameier > Thanks!! I'll check it out right away Nan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2001 Report Share Posted January 12, 2001 In a message dated 1/12/2001 1:30:34 AM Atlantic Standard Time, jeffgould writes: www.pdtreatment.com Thank You Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2001 Report Share Posted January 13, 2001 The JCM issue is No. 63, June 2000. Article is " Three Difficult Cases treated by Deep Needling at Fengfu DU-16 " . Page 30 Ann > There was an issue of the JCM a couple/few issues back I think entitled > Fengfu DU 16 and talks about deep needling on that point to Rx PD....scary > stuff!! > Sorry I can't give exact JCM issue as I am in proces of moving and all is > packed away. > > Heiko Lade > Registered Acupuncturist / Chinese Herbalist > 2 Jenkins St. > Green Island, Dunedin > New Zealand > Tel: (03) 488 4086, Fax: (03) 488 4012 > http://www.lade.com/heiko > Email: heiko > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2001 Report Share Posted January 13, 2001 Searching my Journal Of CM on CD-ROM I find 2 potentially interesting articles: " Differentiation and Treatment of Parkinson's Disease According to TCM " in issue #30, May '89; " Parkinsonism " in #58, Sept '98. Hope you can find these. I also recommend the JCM on CD for $200, I believe. Although it seems to allow printing of articles, it doesn't seem to facilitate saving to the hard drive, so I can't email it to you. Hope it helps, Ann > Do any of you have experience treating Parkensons Disease? > Thanks, Nan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2001 Report Share Posted January 13, 2001 , acunan@m... wrote: > > Bob Flaws has- an article on acupuncture protocol for Parkinson's > in the > > current on-line Blue Poppy Journal referred to in Todd's recent > post. I > > believe this is the url: > http://www.bluepoppy.com/press/journal/index.cfm > > > > Ann Brameier > > Check out this one on herbal tx of parkinsons in the permanent article section of BP's website http://bluepoppy.com/press/journal/issues/archive/july00/articles/ Parkinso.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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