Guest guest Posted February 5, 2001 Report Share Posted February 5, 2001 Dear Yuri: Hua To Zaizao Pills (Hua To Renewal Pills) should be available as a patent medicine from most Chinese grocery stores and pharmacies. It is for " Sanguineous apoplexy, cerebral thrombosis, cerebral embolism, cerebral arterio and their sequalae such as hemiplegia, numbness of the limbs, twisting mouth and eyelid and language disturbance. Coronary heart disease and angina pectoris. For long-term preventive use in above diseases " according to its printed insert. Unfortunately, there is no list of ingredients on the box manufactured by Guangzhou Qixing Pharaceutical Factory. The formula is attributed to the legendary physician, Hua To, but I've been unable to find it in Chinese books that collect " his " formulas (or those attribued to him) . I've tried the formula myself and found it effective. Jim Ramholz , " yuri ovchinikov " <yuriovi@v...> wrote: > > > > > Dear group, > Does anybody knows chinese patent formula " Huato Zai Zao wan " . It was used for my patient with paralisys after stroke. The patient says it helps her a lot and she wants to continue the treatment.But I do not know the formula and what company can supply my clinic. Any tip? > Yuri > > > > __________ _______________ > Visit http://www.visto.com/info, your free web-based communications center. > Visto.com. Life on the Dot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2001 Report Share Posted February 6, 2001 Thank you, Jim. I have the ingredients of the formula but only in Russian, so the names of the herbs are all Russian without even Latine pharmacological or botanical names. I will try to find the names in Russian books and if you are interested, will post them later. Yuri jramholz Tue, 06 Feb 2001 00:39:58 -0000 Re: huato zaizaowan Hua To Zaizao Pills (Hua To Renewal Pills) should be available as a patent medicine from most Chinese grocery stores and pharmacies. It is for " Sanguineous apoplexy, cerebral thrombosis, cerebral embolism, cerebral arterio and their sequalae such as hemiplegia, numbness of the limbs, twisting mouth and eyelid and language disturbance. Coronary heart disease and angina pectoris. For long-term preventive use in above diseases " according to its printed insert. Jim Ramholz , " yuri ovchinikov " <yuriovi@v...> wrote: > > > > > Dear group, > Does anybody knows chinese patent formula " Huato Zai Zao wan " . It was used for my patient with paralisys after stroke. The patient says it helps her a lot and she wants to continue the treatment.But I do not know the formula and what company can supply my clinic. Any tip? > Yuri > > > > __________ _______________ > Visit http://www.visto.com/info, your free web-based communications center. > Visto.com. Life on the Dot. Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. _________________________ Visit http://www.visto.com/info, your free web-based communications center. Visto.com. Life on the Dot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2001 Report Share Posted February 6, 2001 --- yuri ovchinikov <yuriovi wrote: > Thank you, Jim. > I have the ingredients of the formula but only in Russian, so the names of > the herbs are all Russian without even Latine pharmacological or botanical > names. I will try to find the names in Russian books and if you are > interested, will post them later. I don't know about Jim, but !I! would certainly be interested to see them posted. Thanks in advance, Zooky Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2001 Report Share Posted February 6, 2001 Yuri: Yes, please do send the list of ingredients when you've translated them from Russian into latin. Many of my teacher's formulas and, consequently, many of my own are based on Hua To formulas. Zaizaowan may only be attributed to Hua To but after using it, I found it very effective and felt well balanced; consistant with others attributed to him. Jim Ramholz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2001 Report Share Posted February 7, 2001 --- jramholz wrote: > Yuri: > > Yes, please do send the list of ingredients when you've translated them > from Russian into latin. > > Many of my teacher's formulas and, consequently, many of my own are > based on Hua To formulas. Zaizaowan may only be attributed to Hua > To but after using it, I found it very effective and felt well balanced; > consistant with others attributed to him. Here's something I found on the net: HUATUO ZAIZAO PILLS $9.50 INGREDIENTS: Sophora Japonica (Pagoda tree flower), Panax Ginseng (Ginseng root), Schisandra Chinensis (Schisandra fruit), Ophiopgon Japonicus (Winter wheat), Gentiana Macrophylla (Gentian root), Angelica Dahurica (Angelica root), Angelica Sinensis (Tangkwuei root), Ligusticum wallichii (Lovage root), Cinnamon Cassia (Cinnamon), INDICATIONS: Hemorrhage apoplexy, cerebral embolism, cerebral arteriosclerosis and their sequel such as hemiplegia, numbness of the limbs, twisting mouth and eyelid and language disturbance. Coronary heart disease and angina pectoris. For long term preventive use in above diseases. SUGGESTED USE: For adults, to be taken 2 times daily, 25 pills each time (maximum 2 times daily, 50 pills each time) WARNING: Do not take this product if you are pregnant or nursing. Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2001 Report Share Posted February 7, 2001 Jim, You can find all the required details on Zai Zao Wan (no Hua To prefix) in the formula index in the G. Maciocia's "Practice of Chinese medicine". Mihail jramholz wrote: Yuri: Yes, please do send the list of ingredients when you've translated them from Russian into latin. Many of my teacher's formulas and, consequently, many of my own are based on Hua To formulas. Zaizaowan may only be attributed to Hua To but after using it, I found it very effective and felt well balanced; consistant with others attributed to him. Jim Ramholz Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted February 7, 2001 Report Share Posted February 7, 2001 Great, thank you very much, Zooky Yuri zooky z00ky Wed, 7 Feb 2001 07:21:33 -0800 (PST) Re: Re: huato zaizaowan --- jramholz wrote: > Yuri: > > Yes, please do send the list of ingredients when you've translated them > from Russian into latin. > > Many of my teacher's formulas and, consequently, many of my own are > based on Hua To formulas. Zaizaowan may only be attributed to Hua > To but after using it, I found it very effective and felt well balanced; > consistant with others attributed to him. Here's something I found on the net: HUATUO ZAIZAO PILLS $9.50 INGREDIENTS: Sophora Japonica (Pagoda tree flower), Panax Ginseng (Ginseng root), Schisandra Chinensis (Schisandra fruit), Ophiopgon Japonicus (Winter wheat), Gentiana Macrophylla (Gentian root), Angelica Dahurica (Angelica root), Angelica Sinensis (Tangkwuei root), Ligusticum wallichii (Lovage root), Cinnamon Cassia (Cinnamon), INDICATIONS: Hemorrhage apoplexy, cerebral embolism, cerebral arteriosclerosis and their sequel such as hemiplegia, numbness of the limbs, twisting mouth and eyelid and language disturbance. Coronary heart disease and angina pectoris. For long term preventive use in above diseases. SUGGESTED USE: For adults, to be taken 2 times daily, 25 pills each time (maximum 2 times daily, 50 pills each time) WARNING: Do not take this product if you are pregnant or nursing. Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions./ Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. _________________________ Visit http://www.visto.com/info, your free web-based communications center. Visto.com. Life on the Dot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2001 Report Share Posted February 7, 2001 How confident are you that this is the Hua To version? Jim Ramholz , mihail calalb <mihail.calalb@u...> wrote: > Jim, > You can find all the required details on Zai Zao Wan (no Hua To prefix) > in the formula index in the G. Maciocia's " Practice of Chinese > medicine " . Mihail > > > jramholz wrote: > > > Yuri: > > > > Yes, please do send the list of ingredients when you've translated > > them > > from Russian into latin. > > > > Many of my teacher's formulas and, consequently, many of my own are > > based on Hua To formulas. Zaizaowan may only be attributed to Hua > > To but after using it, I found it very effective and felt well > > balanced; > > consistant with others attributed to him. > > > > Jim Ramholz > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2001 Report Share Posted February 8, 2001 I seek some learning on this. Here is a url that shows this particular formula as being not such a good idea because it contains isoborneal & borneol. Does the formula contain these constiuents; or, is it isolated to the particular manufacturer? http://www.alternativemedicine.com/digest/issue32/chimed.shtml Get personalized email addresses from Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2001 Report Share Posted February 10, 2001 Dear Yuri: This is another Zaizao San formula taken from my collection of Chinese books. The formula has 57 herbs and makes nearly 800 grams. It includes the more expensive and exotic materials like snake, cow gall stone, deer musk, borneol, rhino horn, and cinnabar. But, unfortunately, it's still not identified as the " Hua To version " . Jim Ramholz Ju hong 40 Shen qu 40 Bai zhu 20 Bi xie 20 Cao dou kou 20 Chuan xiong 20 Da huang 20 Fang feng 20 Gan cao 20 He shou wu 20 Huang lian 20 Huang qi 20 Huo xiang 20 Ma huang 20 Qiang huo 20 Ren shen 20 Rou gui 20 Sang ji sheng 20 Su di huang 20 Tian ma 20 Wu shou she 20 Xuan shen 20 Quan xie 15 Weiling xian 15 (you) Song jie 10 Bai zhu 10 Chen xiang 10 Chi shao 10 Chuan shan jia 10 Dang gui 10 Dou kou 10 Fu ling 10 Fu zi (prepared) 10 Gu sui bu 10 Gui ban 10 Hu gu 10 Jiang can 10 Mo yao 10 Mu ding xiang 10 Qing pi 10 Ru xiang 10 Wu yao 10 Xi xin 10 Xiang fu 10 Zhu huang 10 Zhu sha 10 Cang zhu 8 Xi jiao 7.5 Xue jie 7.5 Deer musk 5 Di long 5 Hong qu 5 Jiang huang 5 San qi 5 Tan xiang 5 Bing pian 2.5 Niu huang 2.5 Ge gan 1.5 789.5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2001 Report Share Posted February 10, 2001 Thank you, Jim What is the source of this formula? Yuri jramholz Sat, 10 Feb 2001 15:56:45 -0000 Re: huato zaizaowan Dear Yuri: This is another Zaizao San formula taken from my collection of Chinese books. The formula has 57 herbs and makes nearly 800 grams. It includes the more expensive and exotic materials like snake, cow gall stone, deer musk, borneol, rhino horn, and cinnabar. But, unfortunately, it's still not identified as the " Hua To version " . Jim Ramholz Ju hong 40 Shen qu 40 Bai zhu 20 Bi xie 20 Cao dou kou 20 Chuan xiong 20 Da huang 20 Fang feng 20 Gan cao 20 He shou wu 20 Huang lian 20 Huang qi 20 Huo xiang 20 Ma huang 20 Qiang huo 20 Ren shen 20 Rou gui 20 Sang ji sheng 20 Su di huang 20 Tian ma 20 Wu shou she 20 Xuan shen 20 Quan xie 15 Weiling xian 15 (you) Song jie 10 Bai zhu 10 Chen xiang 10 Chi shao 10 Chuan shan jia 10 Dang gui 10 Dou kou 10 Fu ling 10 Fu zi (prepared) 10 Gu sui bu 10 Gui ban 10 Hu gu 10 Jiang can 10 Mo yao 10 Mu ding xiang 10 Qing pi 10 Ru xiang 10 Wu yao 10 Xi xin 10 Xiang fu 10 Zhu huang 10 Zhu sha 10 Cang zhu 8 Xi jiao 7.5 Xue jie 7.5 Deer musk 5 Di long 5 Hong qu 5 Jiang huang 5 San qi 5 Tan xiang 5 Bing pian 2.5 Niu huang 2.5 Ge gan 1.5 789.5 Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. _________________________ Visit http://www.visto.com/info, your free web-based communications center. Visto.com. Life on the Dot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2001 Report Share Posted February 10, 2001 jramholz wrote: > > But, unfortunately, > it's still not identified as the " Hua To version " . Jim, you mentioned a few posts back that the Hua Tou formulas tend to have a unique quality... I don't specifically remember what that was. Perhaps you can expand on that a bit. Also, is this the same Hua Tou who taught the use of the Hua Tou Jia Ji points? I didn't know that he worked with herbs. Are there other herbalists who had a certain signature in regards to the feeling of their formulas? Be well. -- Al Stone L.Ac. <AlStone http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Attachment: vcard [not shown] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2001 Report Share Posted February 10, 2001 Dear Yuri: I don't have the book in front of me but I uploaded a copy (in JPG format) of the formula in Chinese characters to the Files section. The version of Zaizao San from the Macioca book appears to be a highly scaled down version. In case anyone is interested in making this version, I suspect that you can omit the cinnabar, borneol, rhino horn, cow gallstone, and deer musk from the formula and it will still be effective. Jim Ramholz , " yuri ovchinikov " <yuriovi@v...> wrote: > Thank you, Jim > What is the source of this formula? > Yuri > > > > > jramholz > Sat, 10 Feb 2001 15:56:45 -0000 > > Re: huato zaizaowan > > > Dear Yuri: > This is another Zaizao San formula taken from my collection of Chinese > books. The formula has 57 herbs and makes nearly 800 grams. It > includes the more expensive and exotic materials like snake, cow gall > stone, deer musk, borneol, rhino horn, and cinnabar. But, unfortunately, > it's still not identified as the " Hua To version " . > > Jim Ramholz > > > Ju hong 40 > Shen qu 40 > Bai zhu 20 > Bi xie 20 > Cao dou kou 20 > Chuan xiong 20 > Da huang 20 > Fang feng 20 > Gan cao 20 > He shou wu 20 > Huang lian 20 > Huang qi 20 > Huo xiang 20 > Ma huang 20 > Qiang huo 20 > Ren shen 20 > Rou gui 20 > Sang ji sheng 20 > Su di huang 20 > Tian ma 20 > Wu shou she 20 > Xuan shen 20 > Quan xie 15 > Weiling xian 15 > (you) Song jie 10 > Bai zhu 10 > Chen xiang 10 > Chi shao 10 > Chuan shan jia 10 > Dang gui 10 > Dou kou 10 > Fu ling 10 > Fu zi (prepared) 10 > Gu sui bu 10 > Gui ban 10 > Hu gu 10 > Jiang can 10 > Mo yao 10 > Mu ding xiang 10 > Qing pi 10 > Ru xiang 10 > Wu yao 10 > Xi xin 10 > Xiang fu 10 > Zhu huang 10 > Zhu sha 10 > Cang zhu 8 > Xi jiao 7.5 > Xue jie 7.5 > Deer musk 5 > Di long 5 > Hong qu 5 > Jiang huang 5 > San qi 5 > Tan xiang 5 > Bing pian 2.5 > Niu huang 2.5 > Ge gan 1.5 > 789.5 > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. > > > > > > > __________ _______________ > Visit http://www.visto.com/info, your free web-based communications center. > Visto.com. Life on the Dot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2001 Report Share Posted February 10, 2001 Dear Al: There are at least several books in Chinese (I have 3) collecting herbal formulas attributed to Hua To, the famous 3rd century physican--- unfortunately the only English edition I know of is the Blue Poppy version of Hua To's work with some formulas at the end. I earlier said that I thought his formulas were highly effective and often use and modify them in my own clinic. When I first started to study herbs---back in the 70s before any good books were translated---my teacher was Korean, so I learned the Korean versions of classical formulas. Most of the time the Chinese and Korean versions of the same formula are very similar---sometimes changing several herbs or the amount of a particular herb to modify the formula. These small changes often seem to make the formula work better. Today, most of the formulas I use in clinic come from either my teacher or untranslated Chinese literature. I included a Hua To ginseng formula in my own book. The most interesting thing I discovered about it is the ratio of ginseng. It uses a large proportion of ginseng to a small proportion of other other herbs. In fact, I think the proportion is approximately the Golden Mean. Coincidence . . . perhaps. So, I've tried playing around with the Golden Mean and Fibonacci series when putting formulas together, and like the effects very much in some formulas. I keep playing around with some formulas. For example, it took about 20 versions to get my Anxiety formula just right. After getting an idea about how to modify a formula, I have my associate put it together. Then I take it and watch how the qi moves and the pulses change in my body. If he takes it, I observe his pulses and ask what changes in sensation he feels. Then, I give it to clients for that particular condition, to see how they react. Jim Ramholz , Al Stone <alstone@b...> wrote: > > > jramholz wrote: > > > > But, unfortunately, > > it's still not identified as the " Hua To version " . > > Jim, you mentioned a few posts back that the Hua Tou formulas tend to > have a unique quality... I don't specifically remember what that was. > Perhaps you can expand on that a bit. > > Also, is this the same Hua Tou who taught the use of the Hua Tou Jia Ji > points? I didn't know that he worked with herbs. > > Are there other herbalists who had a certain signature in regards to the > feeling of their formulas? > > Be well. > -- > Al Stone L.Ac. > <AlStone@B...> > http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com > > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2001 Report Share Posted February 11, 2001 I keep playing around with some formulas. For example, it took about 20 versions to get my Anxiety formula just right. >>>Can you share it? Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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