Guest guest Posted February 17, 2001 Report Share Posted February 17, 2001 Does anybody on this list have any experience with injectable herbs? They were very popular in the hospital where I studied in Kunming. In the bells palsy clinic they did local and distal acupuncture, then cupping at GB 20 and finally, injected B-12 and something red which I believe was Chuan Xiong or Dang Gui, some blood activator into GB 20. I got sick once there too and one hour after I got an injection of Chai Hu, the fever was down and I was feeling much much better. I was very impressed. -- Al Stone L.Ac. <AlStone http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Attachment: vcard [not shown] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2001 Report Share Posted February 17, 2001 > Does anybody on this list have any experience with injectable herbs? > They were very popular in the hospital where I studied in Kunming. > My experience with injectables are similar to yours, Al. I studied at Hubei Teaching Hospital and many, if not most all patients receiving acupuncture were injected with herbs. The Doctors were very kind in allowing us the experience of injecting their patients. Not that I need practice with injections... as a Research Technician I must have done at least a couple of thousand injections... o.k., so they were on Rats! At Hubei we primarily injected vitamin B-12 and Dang Gui, and some other " special " medicine. Also, there was a case with a middle aged man with RA. His Doctor had come up with a mixture of herbs and prepared them for injections. The patient had to come in, I believe 4x/week... his RA had not progressed since he began the injectable treatment. I need to look back in my notes to see if the Doctor shared his ingredients, however I think he did not. Furthermore, the last week of my stay there... I requested to visit a mental hospital. Not sure why I was so surprised, when we got the o.k. We spent most of the time in a ward where most the patients were labeled with Schizophrenia. The treatment protocol was acupuncture, herbal decoction or western medicine... treatment was generally based on patients belief system. Some were administered both. Talk therapy was also used. At one point we went in a room, with approx. 25 patients, to exam their tongues. That was really an experience! Most of them did not want to show me theirs, till I showed them mine! Generally, medicine was taken by decoction or tablets, however at times injections were given. *Geeeesh* how I miss China! I cannot wait to go back! Teresa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2001 Report Share Posted February 17, 2001 Does anybody on this list have any experience with injectable herbs? They were very popular in the hospital where I studied in Kunming.>>>Yes I played with them in China as well as a type of TCM "surgery" for hemorrhoids which involved an injection of a thermogenic herb into the hemorrhoid. Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2001 Report Share Posted February 17, 2001 > alonmarcus wrote: > > Does anybody on this list have any experience with injectable herbs? > They were very popular in the hospital where I studied in Kunming. > >>>Yes I played with them in China as well as a type of TCM " surgery " > for hemorrhoids which involved an injection of a thermogenic herb into > the hemorrhoid. Thermogenic herb, interior warmer? Heat clearing? -- Al Stone L.Ac. <AlStone http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Attachment: vcard [not shown] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2001 Report Share Posted February 17, 2001 , <alonmarcus@w...> wrote: > Does anybody on this list have any experience with injectable herbs? > They were very popular in the hospital where I studied in Kunming. > >>>Yes I played with them in China as well as a type of TCM " surgery " for hemorrhoids which involved an injection of a thermogenic herb into the hemorrhoid. > Alon I just want to insert a word of caution into this discussion for those who are less familiar with this topic. Injectable herbs have profound benefits based upon all the research I have seen. However, injections are done with specially purified preparations, not decotions in a syringe. due to the fairly high risk of anaphylaxis, they are also a hospital procedure, not for outpatient use. they are not something to experiment with in the private american clinic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2001 Report Share Posted February 18, 2001 Thermogenic herb, interior warmer? Heat clearing?>>>Not this is "herb" although I am not sure it was (a guarded secret), that heatup when in contact w/h2o. When injected into the hemorrhoid it sclerosed it. Our hospital was in charge of evaluating treatments for hemorrhoid and Dr from all over China came to show their methods. This technique was eventually discarded from what I understand because most patients had a relapses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2001 Report Share Posted February 18, 2001 .. Injectable herbs have profound benefits based upon all the research I have seen >>>And unfortunately out of scope in most of US Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2001 Report Share Posted February 18, 2001 In a message dated 2/17/01 12:39:49 PM, alstone writes: >Does anybody on this list have any experience with injectable herbs? >They were very popular in the hospital where I studied in Kunming. > >In the bells palsy clinic they did local and distal acupuncture, then >cupping at GB 20 and finally, injected B-12 and something red which I >believe was Chuan Xiong or Dang Gui, some blood activator into GB 20. > >I got sick once there too and one hour after I got an injection of Chai >Hu, the fever was down and I was feeling much much better. I was very impressed. When I was in Nanjing, I did a fair amount of local injection of Tangquai for neurologic problems such as polio sequellae, with good results from my observation. DAVe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2001 Report Share Posted February 19, 2001 When I was in China , the hosiptal used a drip that contained mai dong and tian dong plus others for recovery after operations when their was too much blood or fluid loss. They said it increased recovery time . Heiko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2001 Report Share Posted February 19, 2001 > alonmarcus wrote: > > . Injectable herbs have profound > benefits based upon all the research I have seen > >>>And unfortunately out of scope in most of US Yes, and well within the scope of practice of MD's, nurses, and a few others. I'm thinking that if we can get privileges to certain herbs that require an L.Ac. (or otherwise registered TCM herbalist) then the next step would be to allow injectables too. I'm sure that there are all kinds of obstacles such as FDA regulations for non-approvoed injected medicines and of course the whole scope of practice thing, but in time, I wouldn't mind seeing this added to our armament. -- Al Stone L.Ac. <AlStone http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Attachment: vcard [not shown] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2001 Report Share Posted February 19, 2001 Under the New Mexico Acu license, injectables are allowed, with proper training. Also some prescribing of allopathic meds. Catherine - Al Stone Monday, February 19, 2001 11:29 AM Re: Re: Injectable herbs > alonmarcus wrote:> > . Injectable herbs have profound> benefits based upon all the research I have seen> >>>And unfortunately out of scope in most of USYes, and well within the scope of practice of MD's, nurses, and a fewothers. I'm thinking that if we can get privileges to certain herbsthat require an L.Ac. (or otherwise registered TCM herbalist) then thenext step would be to allow injectables too. I'm sure that there are all kinds of obstacles such as FDA regulationsfor non-approvoed injected medicines and of course the whole scope ofpractice thing, but in time, I wouldn't mind seeing this added to our armament.-- Al Stone L.Ac.<AlStonehttp://www.BeyondWellBeing.comPain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2001 Report Share Posted February 20, 2001 Under the New Mexico Acu license, injectables are allowed, with proper training. Also some prescribing of allopathic meds >>>This should be our goal nation wide Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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