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Alon,

 

> >>>>>I totally disagree although things are changing.

 

It's quite clear that we disagree, and like you, I

can only speak from my personal experience. I however

did not make the statement about " oriental culture, "

you did. In another post you commented that you

had deliberately overstated in order to make a

point. So perhaps all I was reacting to was another

of your deliberate overstatements.

>

> >>>>>In a political sense things are changing although wars and

such, have

> always been part of the seen.

> The relationship between " master disciple " Cohai Sempi, are

completely

> different than general political straggle. These are poor examples

of the

> subject we are discussing.

 

Well, what do you know? We disagree again.

I believe that nothing could be more political

than medicine. Paul Unschuld has made an extremely

cogent argument for the social/political nature

of medical practice. In essence, people tend

to accept as valid, those medical practices

that conform to culturally determined norms.

 

Thus I find that examples of human action from

the general political struggle are particularly

germane to an understanding of the dynamics of

medicine as both art and science.

>

> Look at the Fa Lun Gong self-immolations in Tian An Men.

> >>>>Again political

 

And, again, directly to the point of what we

are discussing. What we are discussing is

what determines authority in medicine and

how individuals relate to that authority.

 

Let me pose a question to you as well as to

the rest of the members of this list.

 

Who are the authorities of Chinese medicine

in the West?

 

And how did they come to be considered authorities?

 

Bob Flaws' original statement with which I

strongly agreed was that when you pick up

a book one of the first things that matters

most is what are the qualifications of the

writer of that book.

 

So when it comes to questioning authority,

how about if we start closer to home?

 

Who do you listen to? And why?

 

> >>>>>I cant remember the Journal but about 10 years ago there was

an article

> written in a western medical journal on this subject by a young

Japanese

> author. He basically stated the same things and that the traditional

> master/disciple still has a strong influence on modern western

medical

> writings. If I can dig it out I will post it.

 

Yeah. Well...even if you find it and post it, Alon,

it will not prove that questioning authority is

not a part of oriental culture, which is what

you stated that provoked my response. Perhaps

you can clarify whether or not you meant that

literally or were simply exaggerating to make

some other point.

>

> Although I am sensitive to the question of bigotry and

generalizations, the

> sheer volume of close to 100% success treating almost anything on

the plant

> support my argument beyond this discussion. If you think that TCM

can cure

> everything I something to sell you.

 

Where did you get the idea that I think TCM

can cure everything? I never stated that.

I never stated anything at all remotely

like that. Remember, Alon, you are the

one who overstates things, not me.

 

Maybe you should rethink your strategy of overstating

things. Let me make this extremely clear.

Your remark was a blatant racial slur. I

find that sort of thing intolerable.

 

Don't get cute about it.

 

It's not cute.

 

It's ugly.

 

Ken