Guest guest Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 Rod Le Blanc wrote: there was a group of upper body herbs ... These would be Tao ren, Hong hua, Chuan xiong I write: Hmmmm. I would not have thought of Tao ren as an upper body herb, aside from the fact that it can be useful in lung abscess. Since it can promote menstruation and mositen the large intestine, I've seen it used most for menstrual disorders and constipation. And it is also used for intestinal abscess, immobile abdominal masses, and abdominal pain after childbirth. Alon wrote: I thought Huai niu xi had much more of pulling down blood qualities were Chuan was more vitalizing. Rod LeBlanc wrote: I understand Chuan niu xi to be more vitalizing as well. I write: That's interesting. Maybe the term " vitalizing " has been standardized by Wiseman, Ellis, et al, but I am not sure whether you mean " tonifying " or " moving " by it. As I learned it, Huai niu xi strengthens the kidneys and liver, fortifies the sinews and bones, and benefits the joints -- especially when cooked. I learned Chuan niu xi as having only dispersing properties - expels wind, drains dampness, promotes blood circulation - and none of (or less of) the tonic properties of Huai niu xi. Therefore, I was taught, Huai niu xi is more appropriate is patterns when deficiency is a factor. ============================== Peter L. Borten, L.Ac. 4004 SW Kelly Avenue, Ste 201 Portland, Oregon 97201 503.522.2613 http://www.whiteflowerhealing.com/ ============================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 on 2/22/01 5:44 PM, Peter Borten at innergate wrote: > I write: > Hmmmm. I would not have thought of Tao ren as an upper body herb, aside > from the fact that it can be useful in lung abscess. Since it can promote > menstruation and mositen the large intestine, I've seen it used most for > menstrual disorders and constipation. And it is also used for intestinal > abscess, immobile abdominal masses, and abdominal pain after childbirth. > > > I agree- tao ren and hong hua can be everywhere herbs- depending on the rx. I've used them in migraine rx's. Cara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2001 Report Share Posted February 23, 2001 Rod Tao ren enters the Heart Hand Shaoyin, the Lung Hand Taiyin, the Large Intestine Hand Yangming, and the Liver Foot Jueyin. So It does indeed go everywhere but then again 3 out of 4 upper body channels is good odds. Thats why it can go into the uterus, large intestine etc. via those channels. >on 2/22/01 5:44 PM, Peter Borten at innergate wrote: > > > I write: > > Hmmmm. I would not have thought of Tao ren as an upper body herb, aside > > from the fact that it can be useful in lung abscess. Since it can >promote > > menstruation and mositen the large intestine, I've seen it used most for > > menstrual disorders and constipation. And it is also used for >intestinal > > abscess, immobile abdominal masses, and abdominal pain after childbirth. > > > > > > > >I agree- tao ren and hong hua can be everywhere herbs- depending on the rx. >I've used them in migraine rx's. >Cara > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2001 Report Share Posted February 23, 2001 Rod By vitalizing qualities of Chuan Niu xi, I would understand to mean the promotion and flow of Qi and Blood - to invigorate the channels and blood. Which is what you said it did ( " promote blood circulation " ). I am not sure what you were thinking of: vitalizing the organs? Otherwise we seem to agree. " : >Alon wrote: >I thought Huai niu xi had much more of pulling down blood qualities were >Chuan was more vitalizing. > >Rod LeBlanc wrote: >I understand Chuan niu xi to be more vitalizing as well. > >I write: >That's interesting. Maybe the term " vitalizing " has been standardized by >Wiseman, Ellis, et al, but I am not sure whether you mean " tonifying " or > " moving " by it. As I learned it, Huai niu xi strengthens the kidneys and >liver, fortifies the sinews and bones, and benefits the joints -- >especially >when cooked. I learned Chuan niu xi as having only dispersing properties - >expels wind, drains dampness, promotes blood circulation - and none of (or >less of) the tonic properties of Huai niu xi. Therefore, I was taught, >Huai >niu xi is more appropriate is patterns when deficiency is a factor. > > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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