Guest guest Posted February 28, 2001 Report Share Posted February 28, 2001 Heiko: Here is a table comparing statements about the qualities for Eight Extra vessel pulses. Once they have been sorted out in your mind, they are simple to identify. The standard pulses involve qualitative, temporal, and/or locational phenomena. Eight extra pulses are outside this framework they describe the relationship of the whole pulse to it's various parts, they describe a cube of space that is the context for the phenomena of time, qualitative expression, and location. Will <<But while on the subject of pulses, in the Flaws translation of Li Shi Zhen'spulse book there is a section on pulse and the extraordinary vessels. Is anyoneon the list able to pick up 8 extra pulses .?Maybe add some experiences if you have done so>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2001 Report Share Posted March 1, 2001 Heiko, I may be mistaken, my impression was Dr. Yang tranlated from that section of the Ben Cao Kang Mu on eight extra vessels. Al? Also.....the Yin Wei pulse travels from the ulner portion of the distal position to the radial portion of the proximal position. In other words if you find yourself rolling your finger toward the tendon of the flexor carpi radialis, it is likely a Yin Wei pulse. Then it is confirmed by the need to roll out or radial in the Chi position to feel the pulse. wrote: > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. > > > ------ > > There are 21 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Eight Extra Vessel pulses > Heiko Lade <heiko > 2. Re: blood stasis > Heiko Lade <heiko > 3. Re: Re: Calling All Pulse Masters > Heiko Lade <heiko > 4. Re: Digest Number 502 > sherrilgol > 5. Re: blood stasis > > 6. Re: Re: blood stasis > " " <zrosenberg > 7. Re: blood stasis > <kwisgirda > 8. Re: Re: blood stasis > rorykerr > 9. Re: Re: blood stasis > " " <zrosenberg > 10. Re: blood stasis > Cara Frank <herbbabe > 11. Re: microwaved herbs > nicolehohmann > 12. Re: blood stasis > <alonmarcus > 13. Re: Re: blood stasis > <alonmarcus > 14. Re: Re: blood stasis > <alonmarcus > 15. Re: Re: blood stasis > <alonmarcus > 16. Re: Re: blood stasis > <alonmarcus > 17. harmonize the xue > > 18. Re: Re: blood stasis > juliej8 > 19. RE: Calling All Pulse Masters > > 20. Re: Re: blood stasis > " " <zrosenberg > 21. New cleaning method for herb grinders > " Peter Borten " <innergate > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 1 > Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:50:11 +1300 > Heiko Lade <heiko > Re: Eight Extra Vessel pulses > > Hi Will > > Could you just confirm that the translation of the herbs of the 8 > extras on acup.com by Tian De Yang were originally from Li Shi Zhens > classic . Was his the first book to mention herbs and 8 extras. > > Sorry I don't follow whats been said about the points you outlined. In > simplified terms do you feel for a yin wei mai pulse in the heart > position for example or it in some special place. > > Heiko > > WMorris116 wrote: > > > Dear friends, > > > > I am signing up from my home email address so I may participate more > > fully. I > > have been following Nan Jing pulse styles and studying the Eight extra > > > > vessels for twenty years. During the nineties I was a senior teacher > > of the > > Hammer system. I am currently the Den of Clinical Education at > > Emperor's > > College of TOM and teach seminars on pulse diagnosis. > > > > Here are some highlites from my experience and study. The qualities > > are those > > recorded by Li Zhishen and Wang Shuhe. > > > > > > Will Morris > > > > Eight Extra Vessel pulse principles > > > > > > They show the relationship of positions to each other > > > > They can be recorded in the section regarding sides > > > > A few findings from clinical observation: > > > > 1. They are always present > > 2. Changes: > > a. they can bedifferent on one side or the other > > b. they can bedifferent at varying depths > > c. they changewhen the amplitude is changing > > 3. When they are the same everywhere and consistently, it isa > > compelling > > reason to use an Eight extra channel or the related herbs. > > 4. They are an efficient method of recording an image on oneside > > clearly and > > concisely, thus they should be recorded under side. > > 5. They show relationship of positions to each other.Different from > > qualities or positions or sections, these images provide abackdrop of > > information that is not rendered available through 'typical'pulse > > taking > > methods. > > > > Herbs for the eight extras: > > > > http://bluepoppy.com/press/download/articles/ye-vessels.htmlpuncture.comhas > > > > Bob Flaw's translation of Ye Tian-shi's use of herbs forEight extra > > vessels > > and http://www.acupuncture.com/Herbology/Eight.htm has TianDe Yang's > > translation of Li Shi-shen's) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2001 Report Share Posted March 1, 2001 Will wrote: > > Heiko, > > I may be mistaken, my impression was Dr. Yang tranlated from that section of the Ben Cao Kang Mu on eight extra vessels. Al? I have the notes that he taught from, and most of them referenced the book I mentioned before, however the herbs may not have been from that same book. I really can't recall for sure where the herbs came from. -- Al Stone L.Ac. <AlStone http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Attachment: vcard [not shown] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2001 Report Share Posted March 1, 2001 Perhaps Todd could post Will's chart on the eight extra vessels for those of those who can't read it through our email programs?? Karen Vaughan CreationsGarden *************************************** Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment. " The more power man had over nature, the more his knowledge and skill went to his head, and the deeper became his contempt for the merely natural. " - Carl Jung ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2001 Report Share Posted March 2, 2001 Will thanks for the pulse into. Can you tell me what a Dripping-Scattered pulse in the Shen-hammer stile feels like Thanks Alon Dripping-Scattered - WMorris116 Tuesday, February 27, 2001 2:36 PM Eight Extra Vessel pulses Dear friends, I am signing up from my home email address so I may participate more fully. I have been following Nan Jing pulse styles and studying the Eight extra vessels for twenty years. During the nineties I was a senior teacher of the Hammer system. I am currently the Den of Clinical Education at Emperor's College of TOM and teach seminars on pulse diagnosis. Here are some highlites from my experience and study. The qualities are those recorded by Li Zhishen and Wang Shuhe. Will Morris Eight Extra Vessel pulse principles They show the relationship of positions to each other They can be recorded in the section regarding sides A few findings from clinical observation: 1. They are always present 2. Changes: a. they can bedifferent on one side or the other b. they can bedifferent at varying depths c. they changewhen the amplitude is changing 3. When they are the same everywhere and consistently, it isa compelling reason to use an Eight extra channel or the related herbs. 4. They are an efficient method of recording an image on oneside clearly and concisely, thus they should be recorded under side. 5. They show relationship of positions to each other.Different from qualities or positions or sections, these images provide abackdrop of information that is not rendered available through 'typical'pulse taking methods. Herbs for the eight extras: (http://bluepoppy.com/press/download/articles/ye-vessels.htmlpuncture.comhas Bob Flaw's translation of Ye Tian-shi's use of herbs forEight extra vessels and http://www.acupuncture.com/Herbology/Eight.htm has TianDe Yang's translation of Li Shi-shen's) Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2001 Report Share Posted March 2, 2001 Alon, they are the same as in any other style, they are separate and distinct sensations. Will Can you tell me what a Dripping-Scattered pulse in the Shen-hammer stile feels like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2001 Report Share Posted March 3, 2001 Thanks Will, but what is the dripping sensation. Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2001 Report Share Posted June 1, 2001 previous pattern diagnosis >>>>Even with it it is still speculation although a more comfortable one Alon - WMorris116 Tuesday, February 27, 2001 3:36 PM Eight Extra Vessel pulses Dear friends, I am signing up from my home email address so I may participate more fully. I have been following Nan Jing pulse styles and studying the Eight extra vessels for twenty years. During the nineties I was a senior teacher of the Hammer system. I am currently the Den of Clinical Education at Emperor's College of TOM and teach seminars on pulse diagnosis. Here are some highlites from my experience and study. The qualities are those recorded by Li Zhishen and Wang Shuhe. Will Morris Eight Extra Vessel pulse principles They show the relationship of positions to each other They can be recorded in the section regarding sides A few findings from clinical observation: 1. They are always present 2. Changes: a. they can bedifferent on one side or the other b. they can bedifferent at varying depths c. they changewhen the amplitude is changing 3. When they are the same everywhere and consistently, it isa compelling reason to use an Eight extra channel or the related herbs. 4. They are an efficient method of recording an image on oneside clearly and concisely, thus they should be recorded under side. 5. They show relationship of positions to each other.Different from qualities or positions or sections, these images provide abackdrop of information that is not rendered available through 'typical'pulse taking methods. Herbs for the eight extras: (http://bluepoppy.com/press/download/articles/ye-vessels.htmlpuncture.comhas Bob Flaw's translation of Ye Tian-shi's use of herbs forEight extra vessels and http://www.acupuncture.com/Herbology/Eight.htm has TianDe Yang's translation of Li Shi-shen's) Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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