Guest guest Posted March 10, 2001 Report Share Posted March 10, 2001 Has anyone experimented with transdermal administration of herbs using DMSO? ============================== Peter L. Borten, L.Ac. 4004 SW Kelly Avenue, Ste 201 Portland, Oregon 97201 503.522.2613 http://www.whiteflowerhealing.com/ ============================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2001 Report Share Posted March 10, 2001 , " Peter Borten " <innergate@e...> wrote: > Has anyone experimented with transdermal administration of herbs using DMSO? > > Is that legal, do you think? I mean could it be dangerous? Isn't it possible that you might deliver substances right into the bloodstream that are meant to be only absorbed topically or via processing by the GI tract and liver? I'm just wondering and speculating. I'm not sure if this makes sense or not. It would almost be like injectionless injection. An intriguing idea, but I haven't tried this. I would consider the various risks before I did it. However, I have seen some remarkable things with DMSO including the only complete reversal of grey hair and balding I have ever witnessed. This was done with a topical scalp application of pure DMSO alone. I wondr what the TCM property of DMSO would be. I think it moves stagnant blood and clears heat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2001 Report Share Posted March 11, 2001 Well, when I first heard the warnings about DMSO some years ago - about using it only on scrupulously clean skin, I started thinking about using it deliberately as a carrier. Then a few years ago, I noticed that ITM makes a nasal spray with DMSO and allicin (from garlic). Actually, in the case of a nasal spray onto mucus membranes I would think the DMSO might not even be necessary. But how about application over the navel or to acupoints or over the lungs? I've been thinking about trying it out on myself - first just herbs that I know have been administered parenterally (and cautiously, of course). Shen Nong would have tried it, right? ============================== Peter L. Borten, L.Ac. 4004 SW Kelly Avenue, Ste 201 Portland, Oregon 97201 503.522.2613 http://www.whiteflowerhealing.com/ ============================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2001 Report Share Posted March 11, 2001 Sorry, but " DMSO " stands for what? Patrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2001 Report Share Posted March 11, 2001 Di-Methyl Sulphur Oxide - it has a colorful history in particular with regard to LSD from the 60's - but is very useful in a 1% solution for moving bruises (blood stagnation). Many Martial artists have this in their essential medical kit. A word of caution for those with sensitive skin, it can have a burning effect. If 1% is too hot you can reduce the heat with distilled water.. Kayte --- Patrick Rudolph <patim.rudolph wrote: > Sorry, but " DMSO " stands for what? > Patrick > > Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2001 Report Share Posted March 11, 2001 on 3/10/01 11:34 PM, at wrote: > , " Peter Borten " <innergate@e...> wrote: > >> Has anyone experimented with transdermal administration of herbs using DMSO? >> >> > > Is that legal, do you think? I mean could it be dangerous? Isn't it > possible that you might deliver substances right into the bloodstream > that are meant to be only absorbed topically or via processing by the > GI tract and liver? I'm just wondering and speculating. I'm not sure > if this makes sense or not. It would almost be like injectionless > injection. An intriguing idea, but I haven't tried this. I would > consider the various risks before I did it. However, I have seen some > remarkable things with DMSO including the only complete reversal of > grey hair and balding I have ever witnessed. This was done with a > topical scalp application of pure DMSO alone. I wondr what the TCM > property of DMSO would be. I think it moves stagnant blood and clears > heat. > Wasn't DMSO the substance being used as an alternative AIDS/HIV treatment a number of years ago? I remember it being touted by ACT-UP (I think that was the name) and other groups. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2001 Report Share Posted March 11, 2001 I have used DMSO for years as a topical together with external herbs. Seems to help and never had any problems Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2001 Report Share Posted March 11, 2001 Alon, I was present at one of your seminars and heard you mention the use of DMSO with topical herbs and had always wanted to get more info on your protocols. Things like percentage of DMSO to topical, alright to use w/ toxic herbs like centipede, etc. Do you mind sharing your thoughts? Mark Reese - alonmarcus Sunday, March 11, 2001 4:27 PM Re: Re: DMSO + herbs I have used DMSO for years as a topical together with external herbs. Seems to help and never had any problems AlonChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2001 Report Share Posted March 12, 2001 I have not tried toxic herbs. Mostly use activating formulas. I use pharmaceutical grade DMSO made by Research industries corp in Utah. This is injection grade DMSO Alon - Mark Reese Sunday, March 11, 2001 4:19 PM Re: Re: DMSO + herbs Alon, I was present at one of your seminars and heard you mention the use of DMSO with topical herbs and had always wanted to get more info on your protocols. Things like percentage of DMSO to topical, alright to use w/ toxic herbs like centipede, etc. Do you mind sharing your thoughts? Mark Reese - alonmarcus Sunday, March 11, 2001 4:27 PM Re: Re: DMSO + herbs I have used DMSO for years as a topical together with external herbs. Seems to help and never had any problems AlonChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2001 Report Share Posted March 12, 2001 DMSO will take substances into the blood level and has been used to cross the blood-brain barrier (in a Spanish study of retarded children GABA, GABOB, B-6 and Bromohydrate of alpha amino magnesium glutamate was brought across the barrier and resulted in increases in IQ. -Ann N Y Acad Sci 1975 Jan 27;243:449-59). It is very effective at treating arthritis, tendonitis and other bi pain diseases, alone or with herbs or essential oils. Gel mixed with oils or herbs can be applied to acupoints. Choose herbs or oils carefully (see below.) In the USA it is banned for use on people except to treat interstituial bladder disease (by prescription) and in European countries it is injected into the brainstem to prevent brain damage from swelling due to head injuries. It causes significant increases in free radicals as it scavanges other free radicals. Antioxidant herbs or supplements should be given if DMSO is used. Nearsightedness has been found when long-term high doses were given in vetinary applications and the lack of sufficient antioxidants is believed to be a probable cause. It is bactericidial, and probably viricidial and fungicidial. Garlic breath is a common side effect and in about 25% of users DMSO may trigger release of histamine at site of application. DMSO breaks down in the body within 24 hours. Twice-daily applications can hence cause accumulations. It is recommended that patients using DMSO preparations regularly use none for two consecutive days during the week. Other cautions: 1. Use 99.9 pure grades of DMSO and dilute with water or aloe-vera gel. There are about 7 grades over 99.9% and the highest grade available should be used. Injectable prescription DMSO should not exceed 10-20%. Burns respond best to over 95% DMSO. Arthritis responds well to 25% and that dilution minimizes skin irritation. Sinusitis uses recommended at 10-30%. Gums and other mucous membrane uses at 30-50%. 100% DMSO will solidify at 60 degrees F. 2. Avoid in pregnancy or breastfeeding. May be risk to the fetus. 3. May potentiate the effects of drinking alcohol. 4. Should not be used for insect bites, poison ivy, poison oak, etc. since toxins could be allowed to spread. 5. Don't store DMSO near household chemicals and pesticides as DMSO can pick up toxins. Store in an amber glass container for no more than 3 years. 6. Keep the skin of both patient and practicioner clean after DMSO is applied for several hours to avoid potential absorption of other chemicals since DMSO is a very potent carrier. 7. Since DMSO is converted into free radicals, antioxidants are recommended to help neutralize them. 8. DMSO best stored in glass, polyethylene or polyurethane. Glass is preferred and stored away from bright light and high temps. If DMSO becomes cloudy, discolored or has excessive odor needs to be disposed of. 9. It is best to dilute the DMSO with distilled water, EO's, herbs, etc. in glass bowls or other glass containers. When water is mixed with DMSO the mixture becomes warm which is normal. The heat will quickly dissipate and return to room temperature. 10. Be careful which herbs or oils you use with DMSO. Any toxics should be avoided. Herbs not classified as " toxic " in our MMs may contain toxic substances which are not normally extracted in an aqueous form. We do not have 2000 years of guidance in this form. But it may well be suitable for herbs used in China as injectibles. 11. It is used by vets for inflamatory conditions and trauma. However its initial action appears heating and blood invigorating. Nonetheless it is one of the better burn remedies. 12. It will remove oils from the skin so can be mixed with oil or aloe vera to avoid skin irritation. I know a naturopath who uses dimethylsulfide combined with 25% avocado oil, scented with jasmine EO to tranquilize for arthritis, and pain relief due to injury. It brings her patients significant relief, but we don't know if it brings them anything else. She does tend to reserve it for serious conditions. Caveats, Karen Vaughan CreationsGarden *************************************** Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment. " If you have a garden and a library, you have everything you need. " -- Marcus Tullius Cicero ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 , Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@j...> wrote: In the USA it is banned for use on people except to treat > interstituial bladder disease (by prescription) It is also sold OTC as a food supplement, so I think it can be used as long as no claims are being made. I also think that interstitial cystitis is the FDA approved use, but many drugs are used for off-label uses. Are you sure it is banned for off-label uses? that would be highly unusual. I think the primary researcher at OHSU in Oregon treats patients for a wide range of illnesses with DMSO. I am not sure,though. Two years ago I was cleaning out the archives and laboratories of an elderly retired naturopath in Oregon. I stumbled across a stash of vials of various liquid preparations that were decades old. One was labeled DMSO with cannabis with a notation that it was used for muscle pain and was the damndest thing the old doc had ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2001 Report Share Posted March 14, 2001 Right it is *approved* only for interstitial cystitis, but like other prescription drugs off-label uses are not specifically prohibited, although local medical licensing boards vary on how much they will permit off-label and other unconventional practices. I don't think DMSO is sold under the dietary supplement laws. It is legal to sell it because it is a widely used industrial solvent (used, among other things, to be sprayed on crops to prevent frost damage.) It is also legal for vetinary use. If the more poorly refined DMSOs can be sold legally, they can't permit the higher quality versions to be sold so long as there are no claims for unapproved uses. (My dog only wants DMSO gel with rosewater, of course.) Karen Vaughan CreationsGarden *************************************** Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment. " If you have a garden and a library, you have everything you need. " -- Marcus Tullius Cicero ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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