Guest guest Posted April 17, 2001 Report Share Posted April 17, 2001 Dear Group: One of my patients is taking a " phyto-pharmaceutical " product to promote sleep. It contains active ingredients of Stephania rotunda. The company claims it is an Oriental herb used to treat liver wind, and that it has been used as a tonic herb in Vietnam for centuries. The product literature given to me cites the Chinese patent Jin Bu Huan Anodyne Tablets as having the same active ingredients. They also mentioned there were 10 cases of hepatitis associated with this patent formula. They claim their product has no aristolochic acid in it. My questions are: Does anyone have information about Stephania rotunda? Sorry, I don't have pinyin. They claim to use the tubers of the plant. Does anyone have information about Jin Bu Huan Anodyne Tablets? In particular, I'm looking for indications, cautions, contraindications. I'm concerned about the long-term use of this product, as my patient claimed that it seemed to be fairly strong and work very quickly. And, he does not have any s/s of liver wind. Thanks in advance. Wendy S. Goldman, L.Ac. Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2001 Report Share Posted April 18, 2001 Dear Wendy, My experience with the patent Jin Bu Huan several years ago (I don't know if it is the same product that you are mentioning here), which contained, supposedly Stephania, was a bad one. One individual who tried it used it for menstrual cramps and couldn't get off the floor to go home from work. I tried it once for several neck strain that didn't allow me to sleep. I fell asleep, woke at 4 AM with severe palpatations, unable to breathe. I was going to go to the emergency room, but dragged myself to my home office and gave myself acupuncture to bring me back. Thank G-d it worked. I called my friend Ted Kaptchuk in Boston the next day who told me that I had experienced drug poisoning, as this patent called Jin Bu Huan was processed in a way to produce a crude drug, and quite toxic. There were several incidents in Colorado that led to its being removed from the shelves. Again, I don't know if the product you mention is the same one, but it has the same name, so please be cautious. On Tuesday, April 17, 2001, at 12:25 PM, S Popcorn wrote: > Dear Group: > > One of my patients is taking a " phyto-pharmaceutical " > product to promote sleep. It contains active > ingredients of Stephania rotunda. The company claims > it is an Oriental herb used to treat liver wind, and > that it has been used as a tonic herb in Vietnam for > centuries. > > The product literature given to me cites the Chinese > patent Jin Bu Huan Anodyne Tablets as having the same > active ingredients. They also mentioned there were 10 > cases of hepatitis associated with this patent > formula. They claim their product has no aristolochic > acid in it. > > My questions are: > > Does anyone have information about Stephania rotunda? > Sorry, I don't have pinyin. They claim to use the > tubers of the plant. > > Does anyone have information about Jin Bu Huan Anodyne > Tablets? In particular, I'm looking for indications, > cautions, contraindications. > > I'm concerned about the long-term use of this product, > as my patient claimed that it seemed to be fairly > strong and work very quickly. And, he does not have > any s/s of liver wind. > > Thanks in advance. > > Wendy S. Goldman, L.Ac. > > > > > Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions./ > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed > healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate > academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety > of professional services, including board approved online continuing > education. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2001 Report Share Posted April 18, 2001 Does anyone have information about Jin Bu Huan AnodyneTablets? In particular, I'm looking for indications,cautions, contraindications.>>>This is a pharmaceutical ALon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2001 Report Share Posted April 18, 2001 There were several incidents in Colorado that led to its being removed from the shelves.>>>A child of an acupuncturist took a whole vile and was in a deep coma for several days. He is OK now Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2001 Report Share Posted April 19, 2001 , <alonmarcus@w...> wrote: > There were several incidents in Colorado that led to its being > removed from the shelves. > >>>A child of an acupuncturist took a whole vile and was in a deep coma for several days. He is OK now > Alon The number of incidents related to jin bu huan was very small,much less than things like aspirin or OTC sleeping pills, for example. However, Alon is right. It is a pharmaceutical. according to Subhuti Dharmananada (itmonline.org), it is actually extremely safe for adults. While I never have used this for myself or patients, I am aware of dozens of px who used it for hundreds of patients without incident. But we should avoid it because it is banned and has much greater risk than crude herbs. todd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2001 Report Share Posted April 19, 2001 The number of incidents related to jin bu huan was very small,much less than things like aspirin or OTC sleeping pills, for example. >>>Todd 25% of the world population is on an NSAID at any one time. You can not even begin to make this analysis. In one day more people take an NSAID than all the jin bu huan ever made. Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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