Guest guest Posted April 21, 2001 Report Share Posted April 21, 2001 Todd: I appreciate your standards regarding advertising on the web site. However I do feel that ona web site for professionals and students it is perfectly acceptable to discuss product lines. I am a new practitioner and finding more than 2 hours a day to talk to herbal manufacturers is not realistic. However, the questions and concerns posed from senior practitioners often spark new questions in the minds of younger acupuncturists that they may not have ever asked...... Broadly speaking, most acupuncturists know who some of the major players are with respect to product lines...If you have a conflict because you think the company you are associated with will question their association with you because you endorse other products I respect that. Just send the information in under a different email address. If its a better product, process, etc..the public's health will be served which is what we all want as practitioners... What is the fundamental difference between extract and tincture in less than 100 words??? Zev: You helped out with the Traditionals line from Kan..along with a number of other practitioners....Are those " extracts " or " tinctures " ....is that the line you referred to in the email using.... Anyone is welcome to email me at my address if they do not want to post it.....I just want the best tinctures/extracts..for my patients and dont have the knowledge base to ask the questions Todd asked this " unnamed manufacturer " ......Open dialogue is the means to better care.......Kelly _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2001 Report Share Posted April 21, 2001 , " Kelly Welch " <kdwelch25@h...> wrote: > > What is the fundamental difference between extract and tincture in less than > 100 words??? > > Zev: You helped out with the Traditionals line from Kan..along with a number > of other practitioners....Are those " extracts " or " tinctures " ....is that the > line you referred to in the email using.... Kelly Your post must have crossed my last one in the mail. Hopefully you received it. A tincture is a type of extract. I usually think of tinctures as being made by merely soaking the herbs in alcohol for a couple of weeks in a ratio of 1 g herb/5ml alcohol using about 6 g herb per fluid ounce of finished product. Other types of extracts, sometimes called fluid extracts involve temperature control, multiple maceration, breaking cell walls and condensation yielding products that have five times as much herb material and differences in bioactivity. Zev is not going to endorse a product line he has an interest in, but kan is a concentrated water/alcohol extract. They have extensive details in their literature about their process for those interested. If anyone out there without an interest has experience using kan successfully, please share your cases with dosage, etc. I have never used kan on a patient, so do not mistake my silence for having had bad experiences, just none. Again, I would rather people keep silent than disparage any product line. thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2001 Report Share Posted April 21, 2001 On Saturday, April 21, 2001, at 06:10 AM, Kelly Welch wrote: > > > What is the fundamental difference between extract and tincture in less > than > 100 words??? > > Zev: You helped out with the Traditionals line from Kan..along with a > number > of other practitioners....Are those " extracts " or " tinctures " ....is > that the > line you referred to in the email using.... > Kelly, An extract is a combination of water and alcohol extraction of herbal materials. Kan uses a relatively low temperature method in closed glass containers to retain all constituents. It is most appropriate with dry ingredients, especially in combination prescriptions (in my opinion). A tincture is generally just soaking an herb or combination of ingredients in alcohol only. It is best with single ingredients or with fresh plants. . . .Most plant materials used in eclectic herbalism are tinctures, and source stock for homeopathic preparations are made from 'mother tinctures'. Some products in the herbal marketplace (not just Chinese) dilute product with glycerine, or do not concentrate the ingredients enough. As Todd noted, one would need to take a bottle a day to get any effect. I refer to these as 'nostrums'. Gilbert (Arnold), I would love to hear from a real expert in herbal technology like yourself on the tincture/extract issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2001 Report Share Posted April 22, 2001 , " Z'ev Rosenberg " <zrosenberg@e...> wrote: > Most plant materials used in eclectic herbalism > are tinctures, and source stock for homeopathic preparations are made > from 'mother tinctures'. In the heyday of eclecticism, the products used for specific medicine were actually concentrated extracts made with the lloyd extractor. Ecletic institute in Portland uses a refurbished lloyd extractor to make several products that are much stronger than regular tinctures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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