Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 Here is updated information on the St. John's wort study. Apparently the SJW user group did have more remissions than the placebo group, just not more than the cutoff criteria. The placebo rate OTOH was so low that patient selection for the entire study has been called into question. The herb quality is equivalent to that used in the European studies but was applied to major depression instead of mild to moderate depression. And most interesting is that 50% of all pharmaceutical studies of drugs and depression show no significant effect. Karen Vaughan CreationsGarden *************************************** Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment. In a dark time, the eye begins to see. " -- Theodore Roethke --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- Here is a more detailed reply that can be sent to the list: On April 18, the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) published a study reporting that St. John's wort (SJW) was ineffective for the treatment of serious depression. The study has been picked up by every major news media stating that SJW is ineffective for depression. Here are some important points that call into question the validity of the findings of the study. 1. The study design was somewhat flawed. The study was partially sponsored by Pfizer, the makers of the conventional antidepressant Zoloft. At the end of the article it is stated that representatives of the company were involved in the design and preparation of the study. The investigators are considered to have a high degree of scientific integrity, though several have received funding from Pfizer. Having compeny representatives help design the study may be the primary inherent flaw in this regard. Perhaps the primary technical flaw was the lack of an active control, ie the inclusion of a approved conventional antidepressant. This would have provided a theoretical baseline of efficacy with which to compare both SJW and the placebo. Perhaps, the approved antidepressant would have been equally " ineffective " . 2. The primary focus of the study was for major depression and all indications suggest that SJW is most appropriate for mild-to-moderate depression. A sub-group of patients with less severe depression were assessed with the same determination of inefficacy. 3. This study had the lowest placebo response rates (18.6%) of depression studies for 20 years. This automatically calls into question the study's validity. In all studies of depression using measurements that are largely subjective, there is a very high (30-50%) positive response to placebo. A number of pharmacologists are asking why the placebo rate was so low. In questioning the validity of previous studies, the authors state that the low placebo response of another " well controlled study " calls into question its validity. However, the authors do not address the reason for the small placebo response in their own study. 4. In an interview, the primary investigator, Richard Shelton, stated " ...the study by some statistical fluke may have included patients that would not have responded to any medication... " 5. An overview of depression studies with approved antidepressant medications show that the findings are 50/50 between positive and negative findings meaning that half of the studies say that approved anti-depressant medications are ineffective while the other half say they are effective. So one study does not a conclusion make. 6. While the researchers reported that SJW was ineffective according to the parameters they were studying, the conclusions of the study clearly state that the number of patients whose symptoms completely subsided ( " remission " ) was significantly higher in those using SJW than placebo. >Roy- > >can I forward your information on the test to the Traditional Chinese Herbal Medicine >email list? > >Karen Vaughan >CreationsGarden >*************************************** > >On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:40:45 -0700 Roy Upton <herbal writes: >>Herbal Hall: The Professional Herbalists' Discussion List >>Roy Upton >> >>The SJW used in the study was from Lichtwer Pharma, the primary >>product used in German SJW studies. There are a few basic concerns. >>1. the study was for major depression and all indications suggest >>that SJW is most approproiate for mild-to-moderate depression.; 2. >>This study had the lowest placebo response rates of depression >>studies for 20 years. This automatically calls into question the >>study's validity. 3. in an interview, the PI, Richard Shelton, stated >> " ...the >>Vanderbilt study by some statistical fluke may have included patients >>that would not have responded to any medication... " ; 4. No positive >>control was used. If there had been a positive control, perhaps that > >would have also shown up to be ineffective again questioning the >>validity of the findings. 5. An overview of depression studies with >>approved antidepressant medications show that the findings are 50/50 >>between positive and negative findings so one study does not a >>conclusion make. >>-- >>Roy Upton, Herbalist >>Executive Director, American Herbal Pharmacopoeia >>Member, Standards Committee, American Herbal Products Association >>Vice-president, American Herbalists Guild >>Board of Directors, Botanical Medicine Academy --------- End forwarded message ---------- ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! 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