[Fwd: hepatitis]

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Hep C cont

 

I had a look at Clavey's hep C notes from a journal .

 

One example was that a short term overall improvement in 80% of patients

was obtained with huo xue jie du tang which contains

 

ku shen 30 g

dan shen 30g

chi chao 30 g

prepared da huang 30 g

yi yi ren 30 g

pu gong yin 30 g

prepared bie jia 30 g

chuan shan jia 30g

fu ling15g

gan cao 6g

 

I know Todd will like a formula like that with those high doses!!

 

Heiko

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, Heiko Lade <heiko@l...> wrote:

 

 

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> I know Todd will like a formula like that with those high doses!!

>

> Heiko

 

thanks. It looks similar to formulas I use for these cases. for the

record, it is not so much a matter of me liking high doses. I would

love low doses; they would be cheaper for my patients,for one thing.

this dose range is typical for chinese research formulas. why? the

need to deliver a certain amount of bioactive constituents into the

body. I now believe there are multiple ways to do this,as the liquid

extract discussion demonstrated. But I think it is important to point

out that cost is a factor for the chinese, as well. I think if low

doses worked, the government would want to use them to reduce

healthcare costs. So the only reason I can fathom that low doses are

not used in serious chronic illnesses is their lack of efficacy.

 

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Todd

I use the high doses in hep C , B , cancer etc , only if reactions

are adverse, or they are sensative types do I go lower.

Clavey also mentions elsewhere in the article that huang qi 30g is to

be used as hep C congeals yin and damages qi and blocks yang.AND NOT

to use huang qi at all in hep B , especially if ALT is high as it may prolong

the course of the disease.

Also most hep C patients have weak kidneys (research has shown that

most people contract hep C later in life) due to a aging factor and having

weaker kid and jing hence ba ji tian, hu lu ba, xian ling pi, xian mao,

to si zi and wu wei zi to be added if symptoms allow. Also concider some

yin supplemenatation tonics if using lots of yang boosters to protect yin

from the yang heat of tonics. do you use zhu ling in your hep C patients. Apparantly they have

research to show it improves liver function etc . I use zhu ling with lu

lu tong in my hep C formulas.

Why lu lu tong you may ask?

Zhu ling grows on the roots of liquid amber trees (lu lu tong) so I

conclude there must be some kind of synergistic relationship. And hep C

people often manifest with stuck blood and lu lu tong will help that.

More info........move the blood and reduce toxic inflamation is needed

as the pathogen enters and works at the blood level . But because the nature

of the pathogen tends to congeal yin , the blood level herbs should not

be too cold, sticky or passive...quote "

"Opening the collaterals" is not often discussed at length in English,

or even greatly in Chinese, but the idea is that a long term illness will

enter the smaller collaterals and be all the harder to eradicate. This

means that when a problem is not responding to your tretment, and you find,

on checking, that your diagnosis and approach are correct, the reason is

often that "the illness has entered the collaterals", rather than simply

affecting the channels, and collateral-opening herbs are needed to reach

this area and clear the pathogen. Such herbs will be found described in

herbal textbooks-- even the Enlgish ones -- as those which open the channels

and collaterals. A useful on is Ji Xue Teng."

Heiko

wrote:

, Heiko Lade <heiko@l...>

wrote:

>

> I know Todd will like a formula like that with those high doses!!

>

> Heiko

thanks. It looks similar to formulas I use for these cases.

for the

record, it is not so much a matter of me liking high doses. I

would

love low doses; they would be cheaper for my patients,for one thing.

this dose range is typical for chinese research formulas. why?

the

need to deliver a certain amount of bioactive constituents into the

body. I now believe there are multiple ways to do this,as the

liquid

extract discussion demonstrated. But I think it is important

to point

out that cost is a factor for the chinese, as well. I think if

low

doses worked, the government would want to use them to reduce

healthcare costs. So the only reason I can fathom that low doses

are

not used in serious chronic illnesses is their lack of efficacy.