Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 Dear group, My stepdaughter is about 1 week overdue to deliver a baby, and I want to help her with acupuncture and herbs. Her doctor says he will induce her labor with pitocin if she doesn't start labor by Tuesday (today is Friday). A friend of mine who is a doula (labor advocate/assistant in case some people on the group don't know doulas) and who is also an L.Ac. suggested an herbal combination of black cohosh, blue cohosh, and ginger, in equal parts. Does anyone know if there is any chance, ANY, that this could harm the baby or the mother? She also recommended a homeopathic type of cohosh, and I can't remember the name, will find out more tomorrow. I am going to visit my daughter on Sunday and spend the day with her and do acupuncture and (hopefully) some herbs. Any advice would be most appreciated. By the way, she is 25 years old, as strong as a horse, not too enormous, 1 cm dilated, 80% effaced and has been that way for a couple weeks. She is in no real distress but can't sleep at night because of discomfort, and would just as soon have the baby ASAP. I am afraid with pitocin, her labor will be so strong and painful that she will need more drugs and then possibly worse things could happen. Thanks all! Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2001 Report Share Posted April 28, 2001 Julie my wife was about a week late and the mid wife was starting to think that we might have to go to the hospital instead of a home birth . I gave one packet of blood movers , can't even remember the exact formula but roughly off the top of my head. But hong hua 9 grams, tao ren 6 g , dang gui wei9g, chuan xiong 6 g, plus a few simple tonics fu ling, bai zhu etc . 1 packet, cooked 2 times, our daughter came the next day, 2 hour labour. Heiko juliej8 wrote: > Dear group, > > My stepdaughter is about 1 week overdue to deliver a baby, and I want to help > her with acupuncture and herbs. Her doctor says he will induce her labor with > pitocin if she doesn't start labor by Tuesday (today is Friday). A friend of > mine who is a doula (labor advocate/assistant in case some people on the > group don't know doulas) and who is also an L.Ac. suggested an herbal > combination of black cohosh, blue cohosh, and ginger, in equal parts. Does > anyone know if there is any chance, ANY, that this could harm the baby or the > mother? She also recommended a homeopathic type of cohosh, and I can't > remember the name, will find out more tomorrow. I am going to visit my > daughter on Sunday and spend the day with her and do acupuncture and > (hopefully) some herbs. Any advice would be most appreciated. By the way, she > is 25 years old, as strong as a horse, not too enormous, 1 cm dilated, 80% > effaced and has been that way for a couple weeks. She is in no real distress > but can't sleep at night because of discomfort, and would just as soon have > the baby ASAP. I am afraid with pitocin, her labor will be so strong and > painful that she will need more drugs and then possibly worse things could > happen. > > Thanks all! Julie > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2001 Report Share Posted April 28, 2001 Sorry group, My wife just read the e-mail. She was only 4 days late and the labour was 20 minutes with no pain. Admitterly I did acupuncture on her daily since 36th week, bladder 62, kidney 8, GB 34, stomach 36. Thanks Heiko Heiko Lade wrote: > Julie > > my wife was about a week late and the mid wife was starting to think that we might have to go to the hospital instead of a home birth . > > I gave one packet of blood movers , can't even remember the exact formula but roughly off the top of my head. But hong hua 9 grams, tao ren 6 g , dang gui wei9g, chuan xiong 6 g, plus a few simple tonics fu ling, bai zhu etc . 1 packet, cooked 2 times, our daughter came the next > day, 2 hour labour. > > Heiko > > juliej8 wrote: > > > Dear group, > > > > My stepdaughter is about 1 week overdue to deliver a baby, and I want to help > > her with acupuncture and herbs. Her doctor says he will induce her labor with > > pitocin if she doesn't start labor by Tuesday (today is Friday). A friend of > > mine who is a doula (labor advocate/assistant in case some people on the > > group don't know doulas) and who is also an L.Ac. suggested an herbal > > combination of black cohosh, blue cohosh, and ginger, in equal parts. Does > > anyone know if there is any chance, ANY, that this could harm the baby or the > > mother? She also recommended a homeopathic type of cohosh, and I can't > > remember the name, will find out more tomorrow. I am going to visit my > > daughter on Sunday and spend the day with her and do acupuncture and > > (hopefully) some herbs. Any advice would be most appreciated. By the way, she > > is 25 years old, as strong as a horse, not too enormous, 1 cm dilated, 80% > > effaced and has been that way for a couple weeks. She is in no real distress > > but can't sleep at night because of discomfort, and would just as soon have > > the baby ASAP. I am afraid with pitocin, her labor will be so strong and > > painful that she will need more drugs and then possibly worse things could > > happen. > > > > Thanks all! Julie > > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2001 Report Share Posted April 28, 2001 Black and blue cohosh together is likely to help induce labor, and I like ginger added to the mix. The blue cohosh can start pokey contractions and the black cohosh makes them productive. I've used black and blue cohosh together personally, with my sister, and have many clients who used it. To induce labor, 15 drops of black and blue, every two hours can be useful. Her husband can help as well by providing nipple stimulation, producing natural oxytoxin. The blue cohosh, if used under 4.5 mils per day in a longer term situation (3 weeks before the expected due date in formula) should be perfectly safe. There was one case where a woman used blue cohosh as a simple for three months at 5-10 times that dosage and the child had cardiac problems . However as we know, heart attack is often not due to a single causative factor and causality has not been established. Meconium was observed, denoting previous hypoxia. The reduced function of the left ventricle could have existed before birth, causing stagnation and thrombus formation, vitamin k injections could have produced a state of hypercoagulopathy, facilitating infarction, and the mothers blood pressure may have been a factor. The single incident IOW may be due to coincidence rather than causality, given the generally safe record of the herb, or it may be overdose and misuse. The child is now three years old and in good health, although he receives dioxin therapy. Blue cohosh was a major ingredient in the Mother's Cordial sold by E.I. Lily, Park Davis and other pharmaceutical firms hich was used by hundreds or thousands of women and used throughout pregnancy. David Winston has seen Caulophyllum thacteroides either stop false labor or rev up stalled labor. Aviva Romm, an experienced nurse midwife herbalist has over 15 years many times monitored fetal heart tones during administration of blue cohosh, and has never seen either bradycardia, tachycardia, lack of good variability, decels, or accels. This doesn't mean they don't occur of course. As for the mother, high dosing can cause frontal headaches, nausea or vomiting which is reversible by stopping the herb. Reactions to drugs used to induce labor are usually more frequent and more severe. Cytotech is especially bad in this regard. Using blue cohosh in formula and at lower doses is likely to prevent these reactions, and the ginger could help too. I'd have her taking evening primrose oil internally, drinking red rasberry leaf tea until she is through delivery, and rubbing castor oil on her belly, whether you choose to go with the black and blue combo or not. Those protocols are not as effective IMO as the Cimicifuga and Caulophyllum thacteroides. Plus you can give her needles. Caulophyllum is probably the homeopathic, for blue cohosh. I'm not a homeopath, but I wouldn't give it herbally without the black cohosh and wonder whether it woulen't have the same imbalanced reactions. No experience for that observation however. Avoid Pitocin. It transforms birth into a mugging, particularly when accompanied by drugs like Demerol. (Better outcome though!) Karen Vaughan CreationsGarden *************************************** Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment. In a dark time, the eye begins to see. " -- Theodore Roethke ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2001 Report Share Posted April 28, 2001 In a message dated 4/28/01 1:44:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, tcm2 writes: << I'm with Heiko on this one. I've had tremendous results using strong blood moving formulae. I believe that I originally referenced Macciocia's Obstetrics/Gyn. text for base formulae. Very useful very quickly. Good luck. >> Thank you, all who wrote with suggestions. Is there no chance that strong blood movers would thin her blood to a dangerous level, so that the normal bleeding of childbirth may become excessive? I have lost all my herbal sense over the fact that she is my husband's child! Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2001 Report Share Posted April 28, 2001 I'm with Heiko on this one. I've had tremendous results using strong blood moving formulae. I believe that I originally referenced Macciocia's Obstetrics/Gyn. text for base formulae. Very useful very quickly. Good luck. Mark Reese - <juliej8 Friday, April 27, 2001 9:57 PM Urgent request for advice re labor > Dear group, > > My stepdaughter is about 1 week overdue to deliver a baby, and I want to help > her with acupuncture and herbs. Her doctor says he will induce her labor with > pitocin if she doesn't start labor by Tuesday (today is Friday). A friend of > mine who is a doula (labor advocate/assistant in case some people on the > group don't know doulas) and who is also an L.Ac. suggested an herbal > combination of black cohosh, blue cohosh, and ginger, in equal parts. Does > anyone know if there is any chance, ANY, that this could harm the baby or the > mother? She also recommended a homeopathic type of cohosh, and I can't > remember the name, will find out more tomorrow. I am going to visit my > daughter on Sunday and spend the day with her and do acupuncture and > (hopefully) some herbs. Any advice would be most appreciated. By the way, she > is 25 years old, as strong as a horse, not too enormous, 1 cm dilated, 80% > effaced and has been that way for a couple weeks. She is in no real distress > but can't sleep at night because of discomfort, and would just as soon have > the baby ASAP. I am afraid with pitocin, her labor will be so strong and > painful that she will need more drugs and then possibly worse things could > happen. > > Thanks all! Julie > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2001 Report Share Posted April 29, 2001 Thank you, all who wrote with suggestions. Is there no chance that strong > blood movers would thin her blood to a dangerous level, so that the normal > bleeding of childbirth may become excessive? I have lost all my herbal sense > over the fact that she is my husband's child! Julie I don't think 1-2 packets of blood moving herbs would do that. It is a good point though. Heiko > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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