Guest guest Posted April 30, 2001 Report Share Posted April 30, 2001 The piece below and the larger article in the link critique the AMA Journal study allegedly showing that St. John's wort is ineffective against depression (major, instead of the mild to moderate for which it is indicated). The study data showed the opposite, despite Time Magazine and similar misreporting. This is why people have so little faith in medical testing. A shame, because good unbiased science is badly needed. Considering how much better patients on high quality St. John's wort do than on pharmaceutical SSRIs, especially with regard to side effects, this cynical manipulation infuriates me. Karen Vaughan CreationsGarden *************************************** >From Paul Bergner, with permission: " So here's how the JAMA authors turned a successful trial of hypericum in major depression into a failed one. Typical results for pharmaceutical antidepressants are about 50% response to the drug (symptom scores improved by 50% or more) and about 30% for placebo. In this trial, it was about 52% for hypericum and 30% for placebo using the same criteria as the metaanalysis that produced the typical results.. BUT, the authors in the JAMA trial divided the responders into a " response " group and a " remission " group. Of those who completed the trial, these subgroups each showed a strong trend toward drug efficacy, but it did not reach statistical significance (P=.07 for each subgroup). The combined groups may have shown statistical significance, being a larger number of patients, but the authors do not report on this one way or the other. Reseachers used the HAM-D depression scale. Initially the subjects had a score of at least 20, and a median of 22. On that scale, most patients diagnosed with major depression according to DSM IV criteria score at least 14. The researchers said that if patients reached a score of 7-12, they were " responders " but had to score below 7 to be called " remission. " There were 3 times as many patients in the remission group as in the placebo, and this reached statistical significance (p=.02) Results for the combined groups were typical of those for antidepressant drugs taken as a group. See the full article from Medical Herbalism (electronic preview article) at http://www.medherb.com/hypericum-jama.htm) By all means link to it and publicize it. " ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2001 Report Share Posted May 2, 2001 > >The piece below and the larger article in the link critique the AMA >Journal study allegedly showing that St. John's wort is ineffective >against depression (major, instead of the mild to moderate for which it >is indicated). The study data showed the opposite, despite Time Magazine >and similar misreporting. This is why people have so little faith in >medical testing. A shame, because good unbiased science is badly needed. > >Karen Vaughan >CreationsGarden a very interesting report on " good unbiased science " in the pharmaceutical research is " Tales from the other drug wars " (guess which drug wars). Published by the Center for Health Services and Policy Research of the U. of British Columbia. It can be downloaded (pdf format) from: http://www.chspr.ubc.ca/drugwars2.pdf rene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2001 Report Share Posted May 2, 2001 Karen, This is frustrating news, so I'll immediately take some qi and blood movers. Thanks for doing the homework. Stephen Karen S Vaughan [creationsgarden] Monday, April 30, 2001 7:49 PM ; Paracelsus Disturbing news update- statistical manipulation The piece below and the larger article in the link critique the AMA Journal study allegedly showing that St. John's wort is ineffective against depression (major, instead of the mild to moderate for which it is indicated). The study data showed the opposite, despite Time Magazine and similar misreporting. This is why people have so little faith in medical testing. A shame, because good unbiased science is badly needed. Considering how much better patients on high quality St. John's wort do than on pharmaceutical SSRIs, especially with regard to side effects, this cynical manipulation infuriates me. Karen Vaughan CreationsGarden *************************************** >From Paul Bergner, with permission: " So here's how the JAMA authors turned a successful trial of hypericum in major depression into a failed one. Typical results for pharmaceutical antidepressants are about 50% response to the drug (symptom scores improved by 50% or more) and about 30% for placebo. In this trial, it was about 52% for hypericum and 30% for placebo using the same criteria as the metaanalysis that produced the typical results.. BUT, the authors in the JAMA trial divided the responders into a " response " group and a " remission " group. Of those who completed the trial, these subgroups each showed a strong trend toward drug efficacy, but it did not reach statistical significance (P=.07 for each subgroup). The combined groups may have shown statistical significance, being a larger number of patients, but the authors do not report on this one way or the other. Reseachers used the HAM-D depression scale. Initially the subjects had a score of at least 20, and a median of 22. On that scale, most patients diagnosed with major depression according to DSM IV criteria score at least 14. The researchers said that if patients reached a score of 7-12, they were " responders " but had to score below 7 to be called " remission. " There were 3 times as many patients in the remission group as in the placebo, and this reached statistical significance (p=.02) Results for the combined groups were typical of those for antidepressant drugs taken as a group. See the full article from Medical Herbalism (electronic preview article) at http://www.medherb.com/hypericum-jama.htm) By all means link to it and publicize it. " ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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