the school of yang

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So it makes sense that most people wouldpresent as yang xu, yin excess. Now I am not saying that people don'tget yin xu, here; they do.

>>>>You are forgetting overdrive which buns Yin before Yang.

Alon

 

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Thursday, May 03, 2001 3:59 PM

the school of yang

Arguably, the average american is yang xu, yin excess. 60% of Americansare significantly overweight. The foods that supplement yin are rich inour diet (beef, pork, milk) while those that supplement yang or warmyang are missing from most diets (oysters, bull testicles, lamb, hotspices). Some of you might be surprised to learn that most americansstill eat bland diets, but this is true (perhaps not in CA and thesouthwest, but just about everywhere else; try asking for a sandwich inOregon without mayo and you will get a serious look of shock). Mostpeople are couch potatoes, preferring sedentary pursuits to vigorousones. Apparently, sex is fairly infrequent amongst married couples orthose in other forms of longterm relationships, as well. So people areeating yin foods and living a yin lifestyle. Of course, many dootherwise, but the point here is the majority and the majority of thosewho are chronically ill. So it makes sense that most people wouldpresent as yang xu, yin excess. Now I am not saying that people don'tget yin xu, here; they do. But it is also interesting how few people inmy career with either diabetes or menopause (classic yin xu diseases inTCM) present with clearcut yin xu signs. In fact, most menopausal womenare overweight and have clearcut signs of cold mixed with heat. Anddiabetics are often very qi and yang xu. Now I am also not ruling outdampheat, which many of you know I also think is ubiquitous in chronicillness. But to me, dampheat usually arises in my patients from qi andyang xu which allows damp yin to accumulate and stagnate leading toheat, but a yin fire, as Li dong yuan puts it. A yin fire of dampheatdt yang xu is still yin excess in my opinion. Because of this, Iprescribe shu di huang less and less in my practice over the past 13years and in the early days had quite a few mishaps with this herb.This is meant to underscore my last few posts on kidney tonics andgrowth hormone. Heiner Fruehauf used to tell me that zhang Zhong Jingcould be called the founder of the warm and warming school. He calledthe SHL the book of cinnamon to underscore this. while the books hasheat clearing formulas in it, the majority of rx contain warming herbs,like fu zi, gui zhi and xi xin.--ToddChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education.

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, <alonmarcus@w...> wrote:

> So it makes sense that most people would

> present as yang xu, yin excess. Now I am not saying that people don't

> get yin xu, here; they do.

> >>>>You are forgetting overdrive which buns Yin before Yang.

> Alon

 

I hardly forgot about such a widely accepted tenet of TCM. I just

disagree. This may be the most widely accepted interpretation of Zhu

DanXi's school of yin supplementation, but my reading of Li dong yuan

suggests that he felt that yin xu was typically secondary to qi or yang

xu failing to produce postnatal essence via digestion. Flaws has

strongly emphasized this take in articles and texts for the past five

years. Heiner Fruehauf feels the same way, basing his perspective on

SHL commentaries and his training in Chengdu. I also think that middle

aged people are more likely to present with qi and yang xu tongues

along with signs of cold and weakness and older people with yin xu

tongues thus confirming this progression in my mind. Also consider

that overwork is thought to be a cause of both of kidney yin or yang

xu, not merely yin xu. Depending on many factors, it may go one way or

another. In my experience, the tendency is for yang aspects (including

spleen qi) to weaken first in many patients. When yin weakens first,

the patient becomes hyperactive and loses weight. If this was the

typical american pattern, why do we have the obesity problem? I do not

find my obese patients to be typically yin xu.

 

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.. Also consider that overwork is thought to be a cause of both of kidney yin or yang xu, not merely yin xu. Depending on many factors, it may go one way or another.

>>>>I do agree with most of what you are saying however I think things are even more complicated than that. I know the Yin fire concepts are attractive however too often do not work clinically in my experience.

Alon

 

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Thursday, May 03, 2001 10:08 PM

Re: the school of yang

, <alonmarcus@w...> wrote:> So it makes sense that most people would> present as yang xu, yin excess. Now I am not saying that people don't> get yin xu, here; they do. > >>>>You are forgetting overdrive which buns Yin before Yang.> AlonI hardly forgot about such a widely accepted tenet of TCM. I just disagree. This may be the most widely accepted interpretation of Zhu DanXi's school of yin supplementation, but my reading of Li dong yuan suggests that he felt that yin xu was typically secondary to qi or yang xu failing to produce postnatal essence via digestion. Flaws has strongly emphasized this take in articles and texts for the past five years. Heiner Fruehauf feels the same way, basing his perspective on SHL commentaries and his training in Chengdu. I also think that middle aged people are more likely to present with qi and yang xu tongues along with signs of cold and weakness and older people with yin xu tongues thus confirming this progression in my mind. Also consider that overwork is thought to be a cause of both of kidney yin or yang xu, not merely yin xu. Depending on many factors, it may go one way or another. In my experience, the tendency is for yang aspects (including spleen qi) to weaken first in many patients. When yin weakens first, the patient becomes hyperactive and loses weight. If this was the typical american pattern, why do we have the obesity problem? I do not find my obese patients to be typically yin xu.Todd Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education.